24 months until Ford makes there answer to everyone else..

Thats along time. I hope no one else updates before then.

There should be a website: titled: www.2 years until the new F150.

 

well i hadnt seen this yet thanks for posting it.
and all i can say is DAYUM at that new grill

and the bottom pics idk whatthose are but i like the regular cabs without the little part in the back behind the seats.

 

Agreed...

PS: These guys (KGB) are apparently not aware of the current 7-lug F-150... The only one rated to tow 9,500, I mean 10,000, I mean 11,000 lbs...

I hope Ford brings something significant to the plate, but Ford is the "Honda" of the American nameplates... Ultra Conservative...

If looking at the 2007 Expedition is any clue, you can't really tell an '07 from an '03 if you park them side by side. Most notable changes being in the grill, and the rear bumper/taillight assembly. I wouldn't expect anything drastic in terms of exterior design for the new buck 50.

Having owned both, I agree Doc; the new (04 - 07) F-150's are nicer in some ways than the old one, mainly on the inside... But, on the outside- they don't look as good as the 97 -03 version. Not in my opinion.

 

Sad, truly sad…

Ford is like an old dinosaur stuck in a tar pit slowly sinking mumbling things on the way down but unable to do anything significant to save themselves…

So, what will Ford have about 2 years from now? The same ol’, same ol’ they have now. Ford’s best bet to compete is to drastically reduce prices AND offer low finance or 0 finance cost. It’s the only way they have been selling anything the past 2 years or so…

Currently Ford can not afford to compete head to head because they lose every time. If Ford can not spend a little money and time redesigning a truck a 5 year old designed with crayons on paper as per the exterior and basically just hanging some sheet metal the truck will not sell well at all, unless of course they sell them 40% less or so then everyone else’s truck.

Ford’s truck can’t do anything any better then any one else’s trucks so Ford has lost there. It’s apparent that Ford’s days of being king of truck sells is over and coming to an end and thus they need to start looking at making the majority of their other ugly vehicles look appealing to the public before they completely go under…

They could always develop a customer service department and perhaps try to compete with that as well but it just looks like Ford don’t get it and time is just about up for them…


It's also fun watching these Jim Jones cheerleaders: "Please drink the blue kool-aid, please...."

 

I didn't see anything revolutionary in the link, but this pic was VERY promising. This is what's been missing since they started this new body in '04 and the very thing that has kept me out of a new body F150.


However, I have seen the new Tundra in a regular cab, and I for one like it. Ford better get their act together or unfortunately I may be driving a Toyota withing a few years...

 

The quickest way to kill Ford?

Listen to a bunch of cronic complainers that want a complete redesign every year to "stay on top". Chevrolet finally redesigns their truck after 20 years and Toyota brings a brand new entry to the market and you guys are complaining about a truck that's half way through it's design cycle. Of course the newer trucks are on top at the moment. Wouldn't make a whole lot of marketing sense if they weren't, would it?

When the new F150 comes out, it will probably be on top again.. then in two or three years later when those guys release their new ones it will probably flip flop again.

If you want the newest, greatest gizmo... go buy it... but quit complaining about the one that was top of the heap 3 years ago. It's beyond comprehension why you guys are buying trucks that you evidently can't stand and just want to complain about.

 

The truth is when Ford redesigned the F150 for '04, they could have put in all the things that the competition is doing now. Instead of falling behind GM and Toyota, GM and Toyota would finally be moving up to level ground with Ford. Then Ford freshens the F150 and moves ahead again, instead of playing catchup. The best Ford can do now is keep up with the competition.

 

I'm not going to really get in to this but...

Most of the features that GM and Toyota added just brought it even to the F150 that is 3 years old.

They did add some other very nice features but I really don't see how Ford is screwed.

I actually dont think the Toyota is all that bad looking. It took a lot of styling from the F150. Have you seen GM's tailgate? It is like they peeled the blue oval off and put a bowtie on.

Yes the new trucks are nice but nothing ground breaking. Ford raised the bar alot in 04 and these guys raised it some this year. I'm sure Ford will do a fine job on their redesigned. It wont matter much to me though, my 04 will only be halfway through its life in 09 so I'm good until the 2014 model.

 

OK, I don't hate Ford, anyone who knows me can easily tell that's clear. But, I don't disrespect the other vehicles that come along, even if they can or can't kick the snot out of what I'm driving.

That said, I know that no manufacturer can redesign a truck every year... Most trucks kept(keep) the same design for 7 - 10 years before any changes were made.

But, what annoys me is that some folks act like the 2004 F-150 was so groundbreaking... How so?

Aside from "Quiet Steel " (BFD), and a "Fully Boxed Frame" (Jury is still out as to whether that's better or not. I admit the truck is nice, I have one in the garage now. But, what did they do that matters? Not that the fully boxed frame matters, but- what did they do that put them so far ahead of the competition?

PS: Don't tell me about the ultra-light tailgate- not when the truck gained 500 lbs overall- and when my wife had no trouble with the 97 - 03 tailgate.

I won't ask for 10 things... Give me five. Five things Ford did (not subjective, tangible) that GM, Toyota and Dodge didn't have, that you consider innovative.

Fine, I'll give the fully boxed frame... Go.

1.) Fully Boxed Frame.
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I'll take up the challange:

2.Standard tailgate assist
3.Power rear windows on Supercab
4.Rack and pinion steering a first on any light duty pickup
5.Independant coil over front suspension
6.STANDARD 4 wheel disc ABS brakes.

 

Another curvy girly truck? That's stupid. I might as well buy a Toyota if they're trucks are going to look like junk. I thought they had started to get the aestetics right but I guess I was wrong.

 

1.) OK
2.) I hadn't noticed, I didn't know anyone with trouble closing the old one..

3.) Tundra had that... Unless you're talking about the side windows. Again, big deal...

4.) But, cars have had this forever. And, don't they say recirculating ball is the most precise steering. (BMW)

5.) OK. The lay person (Me) can't tell, but, OK.

6.) Come on "T"... Standard, optional, so? I seem to remember rust collecting on 4 discs on our old SuperCrew after it'd rain (Which means we had 4-wheel disc brakes). My 99 still had drums on the rear though..

 

Come on Hersh now be fair about it. You know I'm not stuck on any one brand as I have a Honda Pilot, Toyota Corolla and two Fords.

I didn't bother responding to the challenge because I kind of figured the answers would be blown off. The guys on Trucks made a huge deal that the Silverado had Rack and Pinion. ABS standard, the interior that can't be ignored, etc. Ford really improved the standard pickup and they still have the biggest choice of options out there.

If you want to dismiss the upgrades as blah big deal then nothing on the toyota should be amazing either.

A 6 speed tranny? Other cars have em. Towing, acceleration, been there done that.

If you compared the 04 F150 to what was out there at the time it was head and shoulders over the competition, yes even the Titan.

Now they are falling back a little with the redesigns, that is to be expected.

Now I know there are guys who hate the Tundra and the GM because of the name plate but at the same time you are being unfair to the F150 by dismissing all its first of class improvements as nothing.

I could copy and paste a huge list of improvements that magazines reported on about the 04 F150 but I think they too would be just blown off.

 

Truthfully 'hersh, I could put anything on that list and you could think of a reason to exclude it.

1.Like it or hate it the lift assist was a first in the industry.

2.The power side windows on the Supercab, another first. A huge leap forward from the latch type windows that would pivot open and allow so little airflow they weren't worth opening.

3.Cars had Rack and Pinion forever, but on a light duty pickup it was unheard of until Ford did it. Rack and Pinion is far superior to recirculating ball for precision and feel.

4.Any 4x4 I've been in with torsion bar front suspension would shake my fillings loose. I VERY much appreciate the IFS on my '04.

5.The 4 disc's aren't the innovation, making 4 wheel ABS standard is, or was. Dodge still only gives rear ABS standard, and GM still offers front disc rear drum. Driving the winter roads up here the ABS has saved me more then once.

 

How about the general interior of the Lariats? Brought car like interiors to the truck world. Wood grain dash, chrome accents, nice tight fitting interiors.

How about out board shocks?

How about centershift counsle?

How about the 5 star crash test rating?

The power sliding windows on the supercab doors?

How long of a list should i make?


You keep comparing toyotas top of the line to your XLT truck. Maybe you ought to sit in a fully loaded Lariat, drive one and then give me your thoughts.