GIs Petition Congress Over Iraq War-CBS News-60 minutes

There are over 1000 active duty service members petitioning congress to end the war in Iraq. So, should we give up? If our millitary are saying we should give up, we should, right?

I don't know what the percentage is of soldiers that want to give up is, but I don't think it would take a brain surgen to figure it out.

So, what do you think? What do you think the public reaction will be when this airs this week end? Even better, what do you think the reaction of the media will be? Could it really be time to wave the white flag in Iraq?

I'm not convinced that we should give up.

 

Umm,,yes you did idiot. If you dont like it, ask for a discharge. I'm sure the military would be more than happy to get ride of your stupid *** for not wanting to do the job YOU signed up for.

Personally, I would have a hard time going to war with an a-hole like this.

EXACTLY.....thats what you did, what I did and what every American soldier does upon entering the military.

I think they need to take Mr. Madden and stick his *** on the front line, downtown in the heat of all the action or someplace where he can get a real taste of what the war is all about. His little petition with 1000 members on it is nothing but a waste of time. 1000 out of how many military members that are enlisted or reserve at this time.

If anything, someone should start a petition to get this clown kicked out of the military for being an idiot.



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My commentary on this is not a commentary on the war, rather the petition itself and CBS' use of it.

From what I could find, there are about 2.2 million active duty and reservists. (source)

1000 out of 2.2 million represents roughly than 0.045% of that number, a statistically inconsequential number.

I am not saying that these soldiers do not have a right to oppose the war, or that there may be even more soliders out there that share their opinion.

What I am saying is that CBS has decided to run with a complete and utter non-story in order to further their anti-war agenda. Notice that in no part of their story do they mention how many active duty or reservists there are. That is no doubt intentional, as their intention is to make this group sound like they represent a majority opinion. I think that providing some statistical insight would be valuable to the story...though it would probably then make it a non-story.

 

Hell no it's not being fought correctly...


I'll quote my favorite Navy Seal propaganda:
It's God's job to judge them. It's my job to arrange the meeting.

 

A buddy of mine at work just got back from two years in Iraq.

What he is mad about is that the rules of engagement kept changing. First, it was shoot on sight in battle zones. Then, they had to be holding an RPG launcher or something of the kind, and not drop it on command. Then they had to be pointing it at you. Finally, they had to actually be shooting at them before American soldiers could engage.

I'd be fed up too. If I'm putting my life on the line, you better let me fight to win.

 

What the hell does this douche think he signed up for? He volunteered to serve his country and any order from the Commander-in-Chief. Its not a soldiers right to pick and choose when they want to do their job.

Really, if anyone tried to use .045% to make a point about anything. Nobody would give a sh*t.

".045% of customers dont like the lighting" Same goes for .045% of "soldiers" oppose the war. Who cares.

The way this war should be fought is just let the armour and planes loose. And if anyone goes to raise a weapn at you or refuses to drop it, fire a warning shot into their head.

 

Unfortunately this is the case often. Way too often. People end up believing something that isn't factual because of how it was made to appear. I see this happening to people around me. I wish I could show them that they aren't getting enough of the story but then they consider my opinions "radical". I think this is a diry tactic and is eroding this country.

I don't know how these politicians expect the military to win this if they have their hands tied. Bush has got us into a "PC" war. I think that he's been pretty strong, but on this he's been weak. He should never tried to make this "look" like something it isn't. It's war and we need to win.

So now, a majority of the voting public has apparently asked the newly elected congress to further tie the hands of the military. It appears that the new stragity is to get our soldiers killed to show that we need to get out and leave Iraq to it's own devices. In the past this action has lead to genocide. I can't see how it would be any different this time.

I'll tell you, it sucks to have the minority opinion. Mostly because for the first time in my life I believe in something and believe that I'm right about something. Then I'm being told by the "majority" every day that I'm dead wrong and an idiot to boot.

 

I doubt the validity of this story & the "petition" in question.

1. To sign a petition asking congress to end a war the CINC started is putting in writing that you disapprove/disagree with the CINC. Military law prohibits this.

2. If this story has any factual base, I'd bet a large pot of $$$ that the entire 1000 are reservists who had to leave their civilian jobs to do their one year tour and they are crying about it.

3. Like several have pointed out, EVERYONE in the US Military VOLUNTEERED. If you don't like your job, go tell your commander that your a pole smoking homo & you'll be out within a week or so.

KC-10 FE out...

 

The military is a microcosm of America. There are plenty of every kind of person that you meet in your everyday life. The only thing that surprises me is that these people haven't been given a voice sooner. Strange that they are being marched out now that the Dems. are in control of Congress and actively trying to undermine the President of the US. Well, maybe not so strange once you really think about it.

 

Helluva post man....exactly how i woulda put it

 

As a old vet. I agree, you hit the nail on the head. Good post.

 

wittom take comfort in knowing I understand how you feel.
Those were my sentiments four years ago.

 

I agree with your post Steve but would respectfully disagree with the quote above. I will say that no soldier has a right to oppose ANY war they are in. Soldiers do NOT get to pick and chose what wars, conflicts, duties etc they get handed to them.

If they can find these 1000 soldiers they should all be court marshaled for insubordination since they have gone out and spoke out against their superiors, specifically the Commander In Chief. In the military you can not openly speak out against ANY of your superiors because it is considered insubordination.

You can go to rally’s etc but NOT in uniform and I would imagine these whiners were in uniform we they signed the stupid petition. If they don’t like being in this war they have ONLY one option and that is when their time is up they can get out and jump up and down all they wish but until then they need to act like adults and accept PERSONAL responsibility for their actions which was their oath to the Constitution.

EVERY single person in Iraq is there because they FREELY chose to be there, no if, ands, or butts about it.

The fact of the matter is soldiers do NOT get a choice!!!

To me these 1000 soldiers are the biggest cowards one could ever meet and extremely selfish, sad, so very sad, and hopefully they get what’s coming to them in the forum of a court marshaled and hopefully doing some serious time in the brig for 15 – 20 years to be a lesson to future soldiers in what THEIR job and role REALLY is in the military…

 

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I've found that many civilians don't realize how the military works. They just speak about things that they know nothing of.


If you sign the dotted line, you gotta do the time. I missed litarally 2.5 years of my kids lives, by being out to sea. I didn't complain. Hated it, but didn't complain. Now, my times up, and I got out. Thats the way it works.

 

You’re absolutely right. Many civilians have no clue how the military is designed to operate. The military IS a dictatorship, if you will. It IS you WILL do exactly as I say or pay some serious consequences which could even mean being shot in the head dead…

Personally I think these 1000 cowards would fit in with the option of the death penalty for their coward and selfish act and putting their, our country at great risk. To me it is a treason act, it no different then mutiny on a naval vessel which could also get you shot, or the death penalty.

I sure hope President Bush and other senior military officials grow some ***** and do everything in their power to find these 1000 cowards and punish them to the full extent of military law, including using the death penalty if at all possible. We need an example for future soldiers and how they are REQUIRED to act at ALL times.

Some may not think what they did is serious, or a matter of National Security but they couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s one thing to have the weak spinned liberals of this country putting Americans at risk but it’s a completely different ball game when you have some cowards that some how got into the military signing some stupid paper disagreeing with THEIR responsibility to carry out their Constitutional obligations.

I think what many people do NOT realize is the military is NOT the last option to keeping Americans safe and America free, the military is the ONLY option. No military then NO America…

I really can not believe we have such cowards in our military ranks. Thankfully its just a few...