I understand that, I wasnt saying it was Fords fault, but perception is 90% of reality.... If they are driving down the highway empty and suddenly the rearend lets go, they are not going to blame it on that 21000 lbs they pulled 6 months ago. Instead they are going to say, well the Titans arent doing that, they must be a better truck.......

When I was down in your neck of the woods in Marshall Ark, (just east of Harrison, Ark) year before last, selling fireworks, there was atleast 3, 1/2 ton trucks, (2 dodges and one chevrolet) that stopped by the stand pulling 5th wheel rv's. These were big RV's and I wondered how in the world they were pulling those hills down there..... I asked one guy and he said it slowed him down to about 40 mph at WOT on a few, but generally didnt do to bad, he was planning on buying a bigger truck soon to pull it...... If he had a diesel he wouldn't even notice the hills, it would just torque right up hte hills with out a groan and so he probably wouldn't worry about getting a bigger truck because that one is doing fine with it.... People in general, myself included, dont need incenitive to over load......

 

I think your both miss understanding EACH OTHERS point.

Damn Matt....that was some serious typing bro.

 

Not if the truck only has power equal to or slightly more than the largest gas engine. The speed going up the hill is dependent on the power output of the engine, not the fuel in the tank. The low-end torque of the diesel would help some but there still is only so much power on tap. Now if the 6.4 PS was just dropped into the body of a F-150 and nothing else in the driveline changed parts would break all the time. I am sure that the tranny, and rear ends will be designed to hold the power that the engine will put out with a safety margin built in.

 

Towing/hauling is all about toque, very little about HP.


That being said the current 5.4 L is maxing out 300@5,000 rpm & 365ft lbs@3,750 rpm

The 4.4L v6 Turbo diesel is estimated to have about 267 hp & 450+ lbs (est.) of torque according to all the sources that I've read so far.

On the 5.4 gasoline engine there is a 2000 rpm gap between the peaks of the torque and the peaks of the HP.

Since a diesel redlines at about 3500 rpm the max HP and max Torque meet alot sooner and alot longer for a wider power band through out the rpm range. Consistency beats max any day. 500 HP doesn't do any good if it's only at 5000 rpm and 125 hp at 4000 rpm. (exaggerated of course)

A diesel is a totally different beast than a gasoline engine. Unless you have used one to tow or worked on one you can not comprehend the towing advantages a smaller diesel has over a larger gas engine. The 4.4 will smoke the 5.4 in towing (probably not in it's vehicle ratings) but it's actual abilities will blow it out of the water.


edited to run spell check.

 

Except for the spelling I completely agree with you. Here are the specs from the 3.6L that is used in the Range Rover. Some of the rumors have this engine under the hood of the next F-150

270Hp@4000RPM, 472Tq @ 2000RPM and get 20 in town and 31 on the highway. Sign me up.

 

Yea sorry for the spelling I'll go fix that, wife was yelling at me to take out trash and I was getitng, "The Look", I could feel it piercing the back of my skull as I was typing. So I hurried up and hit submit ASAP.

 

Whoa.... they are claiming 0-60 in 8.6 seconds and only 8.3 seconds for the gas engine?????

 

I just did a google search for F150 Diesel, first 3 pages ( I stopped there) where chucked full of websites and blogs with titles like

F150 diesel- The Mini SD
F150 diesel - Baby Power Stroke
etc
etc

So the psychology is already there.

I am stepping up to an F350 this next one and hopefully I can afford it soon, it will be a TPS, the buck fifty isn't cutting it anymore for what I want and/or need. But if it was cutting it and I didn't need anything bigger, I would defiantly wait for and hope that the diesel came out. I have never bought a brand new vehicle, much less a v1.0 issue, always wait and let them get the bugs worked out first....but that might be enough to make me break those rules too.

 

Wow Matt nice on the specs and info bud! U wern't kidding when we talked at work today about this topic... and I was getting all excited about putting my two cents in... but you beat me to it already! But I agree with ya about the diesels I just don't think it's gonna be a good idea oh and for the record... BOTH Toyota and Nissan are wanting to explore the diesel market... Toyota bought 5.9% stake on Isuzu (for those of you old enough to really remember it and for those of you who might own a Hombre) which GM sold 7.9% of its shares on Isuzu... anyone wanna take a guess why Isuzu is so important? Duramax ring a bell? Yes you might be driving your very own Toyota Tundra Duramax by 2010 (And though the dodge/cummins contract ends I believe somewhere around 2010 and since Ford owns cummins... don't expect to be driving a Superduty Cummins... Ford doesnt plan on dropping the powerstroke name). Toyota is wanting to put a heavy duty version of the new Tundra on the market sometime soon and as for Nissan not sure what diesels they are after but they are wanting a HD version as well by (as well as a redesign around '08 and '09) 2010. The big three had better beef up when this happens because I hate to say it but Im afraid the imports (though the Tundras are just about 100% made in america now meaning even the aluminum engine blocks are made right here in the ozarks!) are going to give them a run for their well diesel money...

 

does the short bus have a diesel?....