The secret truth about the new Toyota Tundra
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Knowing that the competition (Ford) has a fully boxed frame- and they chose not to, tells me that Toyota has done their home work... They explained why they did it the way they did it...
Besides, a company with the vast amount of resources Toyota has to evaluate their design, as opposed to our guessing what "seems" best- I'll choose engineering every time.
But, since we're guessing, I'd venture to guess that a stiffer frame may ride better, but, in an accident, if the frame doesn't give any, guess who absorbs more of the impact... That's right, the vehicle's occupants... I don't know about you guys, but I'll put the family over the safety of the truck any day.
I'm sure MT will have the Tundra go head to head against the buck-fifty, and we'll see what's really going on. But, if Ford doesn't win, I'm sure no one will believe it...
Besides, a company with the vast amount of resources Toyota has to evaluate their design, as opposed to our guessing what "seems" best- I'll choose engineering every time.
But, since we're guessing, I'd venture to guess that a stiffer frame may ride better, but, in an accident, if the frame doesn't give any, guess who absorbs more of the impact... That's right, the vehicle's occupants... I don't know about you guys, but I'll put the family over the safety of the truck any day.
I'm sure MT will have the Tundra go head to head against the buck-fifty, and we'll see what's really going on. But, if Ford doesn't win, I'm sure no one will believe it...
Toyota actually engineers their products, through R&D and alpha/beta testing. The bigger more better mentality isn't always best.
And to the guy that said Toyota Trucks arent from here...I got news for you. Toyota engineers, builds, and assembles their trucks here in USA, and they will probably have more US employees then Ford before too long considering how many Ford/GM have been laying off recently.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
But, since we're guessing, I'd venture to guess that a stiffer frame may ride better, but, in an accident, if the frame doesn't give any, guess who absorbs more of the impact... That's right, the vehicle's occupants... I don't know about you guys, but I'll put the family over the safety of the truck any day.
You couldn’t be FURTHER from the truth on this one.
The F150 has a 5 Star Frontal impact rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. That’s the highest one can attain. The frame was designed to ** ABSORB ** energy, N O T transfer it to the occupants, thus the FIVE STAR RATING.
Sorry, but dems the facts. No guessing allowed. Google it.
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Originally Posted by FX4_Guy
There is a new commercial (probably been out for a few weeks or so) that is for the new Toyota Tundra. It is some guys watching a football and they tivo to the Toyota commercial. The Toyota is gunning through some mud and it's in slow motion shot from the front. During this, you can see the entire front bumper moving up and down and actually coming into contact with the grill, headlights, etc.
I'm sure our truck might do the same thing, but you don't see ford showing it off.
this commercial alone would keep me from getting a Tundra.
I'm sure our truck might do the same thing, but you don't see ford showing it off.
this commercial alone would keep me from getting a Tundra.
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Originally Posted by rms8
W R O N G !!!!
You couldn’t be FURTHER from the truth on this one.
The F150 has a 5 Star Frontal impact rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. That’s the highest one can attain. The frame was designed to ** ABSORB ** energy, N O T transfer it to the occupants, thus the FIVE STAR RATING.
Sorry, but dems the facts. No guessing allowed. Google it.
You couldn’t be FURTHER from the truth on this one.
The F150 has a 5 Star Frontal impact rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. That’s the highest one can attain. The frame was designed to ** ABSORB ** energy, N O T transfer it to the occupants, thus the FIVE STAR RATING.
Sorry, but dems the facts. No guessing allowed. Google it.
The Ridgeline got 5 stars too...
Google that...
It's called efficient ngineering... Doing more with less.
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Originally Posted by CajunJosh
Actually one of their commercial's sold me on Toyota. They showed it surviving a metor strike, one tuff truck.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Not educating me brutha.. I know that... That doesn't mean there's only one way to skin a cat...
The Ridgeline got 5 stars too...
Google that...
The Ridgeline got 5 stars too...
Google that...
Sorry, I guess I shouldn’t have been so vague…
“…I'd venture to guess that a stiffer frame may ride better, but, in an accident, if the frame doesn't give any, guess who absorbs more of the impact... That's right, the vehicle's occupants…”
WRONG.
I’m not disclaiming/discrediting any manufactures’ claims to safety, just pointing out that your guess was 100% wrong. Sorry for the confusion.
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Originally Posted by FX4_Guy
Don't forget that with a toyota, your vehicle (with the windows rolled down) can be taken underwater by the Lochness monster and not a drop of water will enter the vehicle.
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i am not that worried about it. I mean look, Nissan came out with the titan which has more horsepower, but ford still got top selling truck. honda came out with the ridgeline....and ford still was on top. When ford changes in a few years to the diesel and maybe even the boss engine or something similar, i still plan to see them on top. Yes they will lose some buyers, but it isnt going to be a massive flock. I seriously doubt that ford is just ignoring what toyota is doing.
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Dude, you can say wrong all you want... I didn't say Ford wasn't safe, there's no arguing with the 5 stars...
My point is, if it's (a frame) too stiff more energy is transferred to the occupants. I'm also saying, if the Toyota Tundra didn't mimmick Ford's F-150 boxed/hydroformed design, there must've been a good reason for it. reasons uncovered by engineering and reseaarch... I'm not gonna try to find one area to "disqualify" the Tundra on, it looks like it's gonna be a damn-good truck, love it or hate it... Besides, before 2004, no one (in a truck) was riding on a boxed/hydroformed frame anyway. My 1999, 2000, 2001 F-series trucks didn't squeak or rattle...
With all those cross members, I'll bet the frame matches Fords for torsional rigidity. They guys at family car.com have already said it rides as good as the F-150...
PS- Damn, those girls are hot! Especially the one on the far right... (My apologies in advance if those are your daughters, but damn!)
If I bought what I thought was the best truck on the planet, it woould be a GMC Sierra Denali, 6.0L v8.
Too rich for my blood, and it's a GM too... Double whammy...
My point is, if it's (a frame) too stiff more energy is transferred to the occupants. I'm also saying, if the Toyota Tundra didn't mimmick Ford's F-150 boxed/hydroformed design, there must've been a good reason for it. reasons uncovered by engineering and reseaarch... I'm not gonna try to find one area to "disqualify" the Tundra on, it looks like it's gonna be a damn-good truck, love it or hate it... Besides, before 2004, no one (in a truck) was riding on a boxed/hydroformed frame anyway. My 1999, 2000, 2001 F-series trucks didn't squeak or rattle...
With all those cross members, I'll bet the frame matches Fords for torsional rigidity. They guys at family car.com have already said it rides as good as the F-150...
PS- Damn, those girls are hot! Especially the one on the far right... (My apologies in advance if those are your daughters, but damn!)
If I bought what I thought was the best truck on the planet, it woould be a GMC Sierra Denali, 6.0L v8.
Too rich for my blood, and it's a GM too... Double whammy...
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
I didn't say Ford wasn't safe, no arguing with the 5 stars...
My point is, if it's (a frame) too stiff the energy is transferred to the occupants. I'm also saying, if the Toyota Tundra didn't mimmick Ford's F-150 boxed/hydroformed design, there must've been a good reason for it. I'm not gonna try to find one area to disqualify the Tundra on, it looks like it's gonna be a damn-good truck. Love it or hate it... Besides, before 2004, no one (in a truck) was riding on a boxed/hydroformed frame anyway. My 1999, 2000, 2001 F-series trucks didn't squeak or rattle...
With all those cross members, I'll bet the frame matches Fords for torsional rigidity. They guys at family car.com have already said it rides as good as the F-150...
My point is, if it's (a frame) too stiff the energy is transferred to the occupants. I'm also saying, if the Toyota Tundra didn't mimmick Ford's F-150 boxed/hydroformed design, there must've been a good reason for it. I'm not gonna try to find one area to disqualify the Tundra on, it looks like it's gonna be a damn-good truck. Love it or hate it... Besides, before 2004, no one (in a truck) was riding on a boxed/hydroformed frame anyway. My 1999, 2000, 2001 F-series trucks didn't squeak or rattle...
With all those cross members, I'll bet the frame matches Fords for torsional rigidity. They guys at family car.com have already said it rides as good as the F-150...
It’s actually quite simple if you ponder it a bit…Toyota had to cut corners SOMEWHERE in an effort to play with the Big 3. There is no way they can offer everything this Tundra is coming with AND give you everything great about the F150. That truck would cost $50K base.
The Tundra has a 5sp and a 6spd auto, a 381hp motor, lavish interior, innovative features, I’m sure the list could go on and on. It’s obvious Ford cut corners in the drive train dept with a 300hp motor and 4sp auto. But the F150 shines everywhere else.
IMHO, neither the Tundra nor the new Chevy/GMC interiors come close to the Fords. I really love the 08 Superduty interior. Anyway, Toyota felt they could get away with the frame and spend those engineering dollars else where. Time will definitely tell, but if it’s my family in the cab, I’m going with the Fords over built frame.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
PS- Damn, those girls are hot! Especially the one on the far right... (My apologies in advance if those are your daughters, but damn!)
DUDE!!! My daughters????????? Holy Craipe Shaith! I dated the one in the middle! LOL. Jen's her name.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
PS- Damn, those girls are hot! Especially the one on the far right... (My apologies in advance if those are your daughters, but damn!)
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Originally Posted by Budha05STX
Now that this is in GD, I was gonna mention the girls and Hersh is right on the money. Even though she's too tall for me, damn!!!!!
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Originally Posted by torturekilla
ya right......... im a ford guy and theres plenty of chevy and ford guys like me that wont touch a outta country truck........ i aint never touching another truck unless its a ford.............. just my .02
i can see old tundra owners swapping over to the new bodies but not former ford and chevy owners that really use their trucks unlike any toyota...... on the jobsite i see only 2 names ford and chevy .... nothing else...........
i can see old tundra owners swapping over to the new bodies but not former ford and chevy owners that really use their trucks unlike any toyota...... on the jobsite i see only 2 names ford and chevy .... nothing else...........
