[QUOTE=Bighersh]The colorado is a joke with its I-5, but the frontier and new sporttrac both are rated to tow more than the ridgeline. Sadly they are not only rated to tow more but they are compact trucks. Just because the capability of the ridgeline is less than that of a half-ton, and most compacts, does not mean it is not a half-ton truck; just that it sucks. Honda did not want to invest the money in building a real truck so they stole the platform from the MDX and half assed it. Lets stop making excuses for this thing and admit its a joke

 

Looks like we can compare it to the F-150

 

I guess we can, in terms of payload capacity.

In terms of size is where the EPA rates them, they are not. There will be those who like it, and those who don't. For a time, I even considered one, but couldn't bring myself to buy one.

Nevertheless, once you remove emotion from the equation, as well as visual aesthetics, nothing said so far changes the fact that for what a lot of people do with a truck, this truck is functionally adequate, if not pretty, solid axled, V-8, or body on frame.

I'd argue the Ridgeline is every bit as much "truck", no matter how we care to describe it, as the 1997 - 2003 V-6 F-150, except in size.

Didn't toyota build a litte-bitty truck years ago that was a 1/2 - 1-ton?
Side by side:
...................................Ridgeline RTL, Moonroof/XM..............F-150 SuperCrew Lariat
Estimated Market Price.............$31,283.37...................... ............ $30,985.82
Invoice.................................. $29,341.00.................................. $29,457.00
List Price.................................$32,640.00.. ................................ $33,140.00
Vehicle Class........................... Small Pickup................................. Large Pickup
Overall Satisfaction.................. Rating 75 out of 100...................... 90 out of 100


Performance

.............................................Ridgeline....................F-150 SuperCrew Lariat
Engine................................... 3.5L 6 Cylinder........................5.4L 8 Cylinder...............4.6L
Drive .....................................4WD-FT................................. RWD ...........................RWD
Transmission..........................5 speed Automatic OD............. 4 speed Auto. OD..........(" ")
Compression Ratio................. 10.00:1.................................. 9.80:1 ........................9.40:1
Horsepower........................... 247 hp @5750rpm................. 300 hp @5000rpm .......231 HP
Torque.................................. 245@ 4500............................. 365@ 3750 ..................293 @ 3500 RPM
Bore.................................. ...3.50....................................... 3.55 .............................(" ")
Stroke.................................. 3.66....................................... 4.17 .............................3.54
Fuel Capacity.......................22.00 gallons............................. 30.00 gallons.................(" ")
Fuel Type............................Unleaded.............. ..................... Unleaded ......................(" ")
Fuel Delivery...................... MPFI......................................... SEFI ............................(" ")
MPG City................................. 16....................................... 14 ............................... 15
MPG Highway.......................... 21....................................... 19 ............................... 19

Specifications

.............................................Ridgeline....................F-150 SuperCrew Lariat
Wheelbase..................................122.0".......... ....... 138.5"................................ 138.5"
Overall Length.............................206.8"............... .. 223.8" ................................223.8"
Vehicle Height...............................71.2".............. ... 73.4" ............................... 73.4"
Vehicle Width............................... 77.8"................. 78.9" ............................... 78.9"
Seating Capacity............................... 5....................... 6 ............................... 6
Cargo Capacity (Cars).....................N/A .....................N/A ............................... N/A
Front Headroom (Cars).................. 38.7" ................. 40.1" ............................. 40.1"
Front Legroom (Cars).................... 40.8".................. 41.3" ............................... 41.3"
Rear Legroom............................... 36.4".................. 39.0" ............................. 39.0"
Payload Capacity (Trucks)............. 1554................... 1710 .............................. 1570
Gross Weight (Trucks).................. 6050 lbs.............. 7050 lbs. .........................6800 lbs.
Towing Capacity (Trucks).............. 5000................... 8000 ...............................6300 lbs
Final Assembly Location................. CDN..................... USA .................................USA

 

Yes, Toyota dropped the long-bed One Ton in 1993. It had massiive springs for a little truck with a payload around 2500 lbs.
It was when the T100 came out and it would have baffled their customers and made their salesmen stammer and stumble.

 

they do anyhow, so that was not the cause.

 

Yes well, imagine a Ford salesman trying to talk a customer up to an F150 (payload 1710) when a Ranger is sitting next to it (payload 2550).

 

Hey Hersh,

Well I'm not going to even comment on Matt as that would be giving an individual time and thought that is not deserved.

However, on the Larry the Cable guy thing I have to be a bit skeptical. First, one million a month is quite a bit. Two, that would mimic Trump's attempt to do the same thing to "You're fired" and that failed miserably.

If it is true, I would be the most pissed off southerner living in MN right now. I grew up in Florida and we used "Git-R- Done" since middle school. That was LONG before Larry the Cable guy even though he was funny.

Duke

 

I agree... I asked him where he read that, he couldn't recall.

I mentioned it here, thinking someone could qualify it. I searched IMDB and Wikipedia and foung nothing about Lawrence Whitney's income. All I know is he's originally from Nebraska, he's 5' 10", has lived outside Orlando Florida for 27 years, and has a house in Lincoln, Nebraska, is coming out with a new movie called Delta Farce. Oh, and he loves the Nebraska Cornhuskers, having purchased a luxury suite in the northern end zone of the field...

Luxury suites at a college stadium? The again, as cold as it can get in Nebraska, the whole frakin' stadium should be a luxury suite.

 

so is this truck in need of its own special catagory? Honda advertises it as a half ton truck. Even if we cut it a break and list it with the compacts it still falls short in areas that true truck users need. I tow, haul and use 4wd on a weekly basis. a ridgeline would never cope with the abuse I dish out for anything near 100k. I may not be the average truck user but I still hate to see vehicles take such a direction regardless of who uses them. The ridgeline represents the pussification of the 1/2 truck.

 

geese that would be nice to have my own luxury stadium.

Duke

 

I wouldnt even want to try and use a ridgeline for what I did with the Ranger, Explorer, and the 150. Seeing those POS reminds me of when my buddy and me watched as two dumbass pretty boys tried to take daddy's lexus suv through a river diversion and got it stuck halfway. Neither of them wanted to get out and walk through to get a tow cable. Little off topic but shows what these "trucks" really are good for, nothing.

 

...zap!

 

[QUOTE=scott1981]So you're saying that a CV joint is weak. I would respond by saying that the joint is only as weak as the design. The h1 has a payload of over 3,000 lbs and a towing capacity of over 8,000. Oh yeah it has cv joints. And once again NO, the payload sitting in the bed does not put any stress onto the cv joints. If you can explain how it does, then I would love to hear it.

 

It's the whole inertia thing. I think it was Issac Newton who stated, things in motion tend to stay in motion and things at rest tend to stay at rest, unless some outside force acts upon it. The amount of force needed to move 3000 lbs is greater than the force required to move 1500 lbs. This extra force as to be transmitted through something and in the case of the Ridgeline it is transmitted through the CV joints.

The payload just sitting there without moving the truck doesn't put any stress on the CV joints. The only time the joints are stressed is when the vehicle must move or the engine is used for braking. But then if the truck was just sitting there it would be undergoing very little stress on anything.

 

Yup