Hey Guys,

With all my radar posts, I did roughly 6 hours worth of research today and learned the following formula against radar and lasar detection and jamming. Not condoning it or saying I'm going to do it since it's not feasable since I have a huge chrome bumper, grill and grill surround which is practically impossible to protect from LIDAR (lasar), but here is what I learned.

So I've been reading about police speed detection (both radar and laser) for four hours. I also read about studies and tests on each and how to prevent lasar (LIDAR) detection. Radar detectors can detect LIDAR (Lasar) traps but in most instances that means the cop already shot you with the Lasar and he has your speed.

Here are the preventitive measures:

1. Valentine V1 w/ POP2 to detect radar -$400 (the last minute on is still a problem, but not as big a risk as lasar b/c radar can't detect just one vehicle, but rather it's a "pack" of vehicles and it's up to the cop to see the fastest on and attach that speed to them. This also gives Lasar detection, but that's only worth something when paired with the others shown below.

2. VEIL Stealth Coating $89 - to be used on your headlights, fog lights, and license plate covers. This stuff lasts 4 to 5 months and repeated washings. It prevents the Laser beam, which cops are supposed to shine at your license plate or headlight to get a reading, from coming back and giving them a reading. While it doesn't work 100% of the time, it is quite effective. It's not supposed to be used on paint though. It does have a slight gray tint to what it's painted on. I don't know about chrome though. This is what really screws me, with a huge chrome bumper, chrome grill surround and billet grill. This is legal because it's a passive device.

3. BLINDER X-TREME M20 (just fronts) - $350 and M40 (fronts and rears) - $600. This electronical device is ILLEGAL and jams the signal the cop gets back with the Lasar device. This has been tested repeatedly and shown to be the best on the market. The lasar detector can acutally "punch through" the jammer sometimes and get a reading. However, if VEIL and a Jammer are being used then it can't "punch" through. The Blinder is the ONLY laser jammer that has successfully jammed the Laser Atlanta while being operated in stealth mode

The combination of 2 and 3 cuts down the cops ability to get a reading off a car until roughly 400 feet. Which by this time you could easily see the cop shooting you with the lasar gun. You would have also had a reading on the V1 regarding the cop shooting you at well over 2000 feet so you'd have plenty of time to slow down.

Also, technically cops cannot hit you with a Lasar gun at distances over 1,000 feet because it's against FED regulations because the lasar could easily travel into the cab of the vehicle.

The only thing is, are you will to shell out this much cash. The answer was undynably yes for the performance street race cars that a lot of this testing was done on. They also did testing with a silverado (old bodystyle) and the jammer and veil combo worked great till 296 feet. Which is long after the V1 went off.

Just thought I'd share.

Duke

 

Heres what else you can do... SLOW THE **** DOWN!!!!

 

You know I didn't even think of that! (sarcastic)

Of course that is the easiest, safest and cheapest option. I was just intrigued by the technology that law enforcement uses and the technology that those who avoid law enforcement use.

Some of the nice radar detectors were also undetectable to radar detector detectors (what cops use to see if you're using a radar detector). However, the new radar detector detectors that cops are using in Canada, Washington DC and VA (I believe it's the stealth II) can detect all radar detectors.

Lasar jammers are also detectable in that it sends a jam to gun response but that could also be just a lasar detector gun error.

Duke

 

Can I have some of that Kool-Aid? Please keep sharing you make the officer's job easier all the time.

 

You spent six hours researching that? Wow, you'll never that part of your life back.

Slowing the heck down is the only proof positive way to not getting a ticket. It's free, and safer. I can't stand the s%^&heads that feel the need to be going 15 or more over the limit. I secretly wish that they would get pulled over, and in East TN at least, it usually comes true.

SLOW DOWN!

 

What marketing material did you copy and paste that from?

Just get a V1 or Bel detector for fun, and the absolute BEST protection is your eyes and knowing your routes. I've gotten a few tickets over the years but should have had my license taken away many times over...

 

Hard to believe in this day and time people still fall for the snake oil salesman's pitch!

I found it on the internet, it has to be true......

How about send me that $1000 you want to spend on that worthless crap, and I will put it toward some new LED lights for my patrol car. That way while you're stopped, you can stare at all the lights and be entertained!

Just messin' with you!

 

Yeah I know you're just messing around and it's not like I'm giving any new information to the cops. I watched a 45 minute video on an independent website which tested different radar detectors and lasar jammers.

The VEIL by itself is only 45% effective because it really is only that great of further distances where the jammer has a harder time working.

By the way they did all this testing with an Atlanta city police department in 2005 because the city wanted to see how well jammers work and if there was any ways to detect them.

The higher end jammers like the SRX and Blinder actually did work 95% of the time for lasar guns. The times they didn't work the cop had to repeatedly shoot the car with the lasar gun, which had already trigered the V1 that was inside the car.

Once again, I'm not condoning it as a free pass to speed or saying it's my next purchase because there is no way I'm spending that kind of money (until I finish the 67 GT500E next year ) . I'm just intrigued by the technology.

Duke

 

Can you post up the information about police can't use Laser over 1000 feet?

SERIOUSLY,

I want to read up on that.

 

Yeah I have to go to a meeting right now, but I'll dig back through my internet history and give the gov site I read that on.

Duke

 

Hey Duke,
Two speeding tickets in 30 days 6 hour study and three threads later is a lot of time spent on how to avoid another one. Maybe just slow down a little

 

Well meeting ended early and I looked. I can't find this stupid .gov site for the life of me and am frankly getting tired of this topic.

So don't live by the 1,000 feet because even if it is a FED rule which would make sense to avoid shooting inside someones car, what's to stop the cop who doesn't really care and wants to get a speeder?

I did find this:

3. Lidar Range
Lidar range goes as the fourth root of target crossection. This is a very weak function, and so the range for your state probably falls between these extremes of measurment range to the best and worst liscense plates measured by Tom Bell:
Georgia license plate, by itself = 2577 ft.
Colorado license plate, by itself = 1339 ft.
With no plate- detection range of a Mazda RX7 with headlights retracted is around 800 ft.
No plate, and the lights covered - detection range < 500 ft.
The Uniden detector ad (Aug 95 Road&Track p31) claims that:
Uniden detector is good to about 8000 feet.
Lidar guns are effective to about 2000 feet.
Average operating range of police lidar is about 800 feet.
Craig Peterson has written alot on police radar and lidar, and he makes the argument in AUTOtronics, March 95 that typical radar ambushes are 600-800 feet because the police must identify the car and make a visual estimate of speed as well. This argument may not apply to lidar with its narrower beam, since the beam itself identifies the car.

 

You do realize Laser is not only reflected by the shiny parts of a car, right? Everything reflects some amount of light. The Laser used in speed enforcement is benign, meaning it will not harm some being "shot" with it.

 

I just drive this on the road:




I mean, sure, it's overkill, but I figure if you're going to do something you might as well do it right.

If your intent is to defeat radar, then stop f'in around and defeat it!!!

 

Where do your license plates go on that thing? Wouldn't they melt on the back?