Wal-Mart and E85...
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Wal-Mart and E85...
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/08/news...ex.htm?cnn=yes
Any thoughts? I "think" this could be a good thing, but...
BTW, before it begins... Wal-Mart IS local for me...
Any thoughts? I "think" this could be a good thing, but...
BTW, before it begins... Wal-Mart IS local for me...
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From: Pikesville, MD
Originally Posted by UrbanCowboy
E85 doesn't impress me all that much and anything to do with Wal-Mart makes me cringe.
E85 is a red herring and I cant stand Wal-mart.
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I absolutely despise Walmart. But I went there 3 times last weekend and I've been there once this week, all with the wifey. In Paragould it's sort of like a meet and greet. I see everybody I know in Walmart.
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Originally Posted by 3valve
I absolutely despise Walmart. But I went there 3 times last weekend and I've been there once this week, all with the wifey. In Paragould it's sort of like a meet and greet. I see everybody I know in Walmart.
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From: Paragould Arkansas
Originally Posted by UrbanCowboy
Make sure to include a Wal-mart logo in your new sig ya big pansy.
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Someone has to start bringing e85 to the people, and walmart is everywhere. Good idea, no matter if you like walmart or not. Ingenious.
We all know the big oil companies rolling in the black gold dough aren't going to do it.
We all know the big oil companies rolling in the black gold dough aren't going to do it.
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Originally Posted by Stealth
We all know the big oil companies rolling in the black gold dough aren't going to do it.
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...4344-3187r.htm
"The top 20 U.S. and Canadian oil companies actually invested 50 percent more than they earned in the past 10 years in efforts to produce more oil, but adverse geopolitical developments conspired to give them fewer opportunities to expand production while fading oil fields in the U.S. and elsewhere forced them to spend substantially more just to maintain current production, according to the study by the Ernst & Young accounting firm.
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After subtracting the cost of equipment, leases, labor and other operating expenses, the companies posted whopping profits of $336 billion. Over the same time span, however, the companies spent even more than they earned -- $550 billion -- on oil exploration and development. Some of them went deeply into debt to finance new ventures, especially during times of lean profits. "
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i can't wait for E85. i cringe everytime i fill my tank, because i know a portion of the cost of the gasoline is going to middle eastern terrorists. i applaud walmart for doing this. 
(i get a little peaved with all the products from china on the shelves), but this would put a big american product back on their shelves !!
and if you are worried about it ruining our food supply - it will begin with corn/sugar but will soon move to "cellulose waste" (corn shauks, grass clippings etc).
i don't know why any one would oppose E85???
oaw
god bless america
(and screw the middle east)
(i get a little peaved with all the products from china on the shelves), but this would put a big american product back on their shelves !!and if you are worried about it ruining our food supply - it will begin with corn/sugar but will soon move to "cellulose waste" (corn shauks, grass clippings etc).
i don't know why any one would oppose E85???
- wouldn't you like to cut your grass one day, put the bags at the curb and it goes to make fuel for your car?
- wouldn't you like to reduce green house gasses?
- wouldn't you like to put more americans to work? (building and running the E85 plants and growing corn and sugar)
- wouldn't you like to stop making donations to middle eastern terrorists? (through gasoline purchases)
oaw
god bless america
(and screw the middle east)
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I dont have a problem with e85 but it is a very misleading product.
It is inefficient and expensive to produce. You spend more energy creating the product than you get out of it. it only exists because of gov't subsidies.
But let's put aside the technological hicups and look at the market side of it.
As long as oil is cheaper and easier to produce it will compete with e85. You have to get vehicles changed over to support it. Than you have a global economy to contend with. Why would a company restrict itself to just the American market? It doesn't make sense. You sell it wherever you can get the best price for your product. It will be subject to global supply and demand as well.
It is an inferior product, with inferior production methods, and would still be placed on the open market.
It may help some but dont kid yourself into thinking it will significantly lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
It is inefficient and expensive to produce. You spend more energy creating the product than you get out of it. it only exists because of gov't subsidies.
The average U.S. automobile, traveling 10,000 miles a year on pure ethanol (not a gasoline-ethanol mix), would need about 852 gallons of the corn-based fuel
But let's put aside the technological hicups and look at the market side of it.
As long as oil is cheaper and easier to produce it will compete with e85. You have to get vehicles changed over to support it. Than you have a global economy to contend with. Why would a company restrict itself to just the American market? It doesn't make sense. You sell it wherever you can get the best price for your product. It will be subject to global supply and demand as well.
It is an inferior product, with inferior production methods, and would still be placed on the open market.
It may help some but dont kid yourself into thinking it will significantly lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
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I am pretty much against Wal-Mart gas now, I went to Sams Club on Sunday, filled it all the way up ($50 Bucks), and got a load of water, the truck didn't like that much, it was shuddering and doing all kinds of weird ****
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vadar -
your comment about E85 being inefficient is old news.... and has been proven false. this data was first reported by the petroleum lobby. look into it. you will see there is much more recent data that proves the opposite. you will get less mpg from it..... here you are correct. check out this link....
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php
as for farm equipment burning fuel to make E85..... that's an easy one.... they can use bio-diesel.(many already do)
see ya
your comment about E85 being inefficient is old news.... and has been proven false. this data was first reported by the petroleum lobby. look into it. you will see there is much more recent data that proves the opposite. you will get less mpg from it..... here you are correct. check out this link....
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/faqs/e85.php
as for farm equipment burning fuel to make E85..... that's an easy one.... they can use bio-diesel.(many already do)
see ya
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From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by UrbanCowboy
Their not exactly rolling in black gold.
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...4344-3187r.htm
"The top 20 U.S. and Canadian oil companies actually invested 50 percent more than they earned in the past 10 years in efforts to produce more oil, but adverse geopolitical developments conspired to give them fewer opportunities to expand production while fading oil fields in the U.S. and elsewhere forced them to spend substantially more just to maintain current production, according to the study by the Ernst & Young accounting firm.
...
After subtracting the cost of equipment, leases, labor and other operating expenses, the companies posted whopping profits of $336 billion. Over the same time span, however, the companies spent even more than they earned -- $550 billion -- on oil exploration and development. Some of them went deeply into debt to finance new ventures, especially during times of lean profits. "
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...4344-3187r.htm
"The top 20 U.S. and Canadian oil companies actually invested 50 percent more than they earned in the past 10 years in efforts to produce more oil, but adverse geopolitical developments conspired to give them fewer opportunities to expand production while fading oil fields in the U.S. and elsewhere forced them to spend substantially more just to maintain current production, according to the study by the Ernst & Young accounting firm.
...
After subtracting the cost of equipment, leases, labor and other operating expenses, the companies posted whopping profits of $336 billion. Over the same time span, however, the companies spent even more than they earned -- $550 billion -- on oil exploration and development. Some of them went deeply into debt to finance new ventures, especially during times of lean profits. "
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/15232434.htm