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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 06:30 PM
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Whoa! That'd be odd to have some random old person wander in.

My friend had a drunk dude wander into his apartment crying & then block the front door with their lazyboy chair...I would've been scared outta my mind if someone came in & the blocked the door.

I read another story on Fark about a drunk entering a dude's house...dude is uber nerdyish & had swords, dude swung the sword @ the drunk & the drunk shot outta there! That'd be priceless to see
Lol. Yeah, that'd be like the star wars kid busting through your door and going crazy. Everybody out! Now! I am the chosen one! Crash! Bam! Boom! Ow!

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 06:47 PM
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I've heard several people say shoot now ask questions later....

Come on guys, these guys have a right to live and breathe same as you and I. Just becuase they made a wrong choice doesn't give any of us the right to choose wether they live or die. "just kidding"

I say shoot now! Who cares about the freaking questions. If he/she happens to be unlucky enough to still beable to make a sound; shoot some more.

I'd rather be alive to explain to the courts why I did what I did, than dead.

Or worse yet, alive while my wife and/or kids are dead because I didn't do my job as head of house to protect them! Especially with me knowing that thier protection was just a squeze away for me.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

try this link.
Kentucky Statutes

also think about getting you carry permit if you don't have one yet.

packing dot org will give you some good info
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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It's almost easier nowadays to get shot by the bad guy and sort things out in court later than to shoot him first.

As I understand in Georgia, unless you've got no "avenue of escape," you can't shoot an intruder in your home. That means that if you're on the second floor of your house and someone's just roaming around, rummaging through your stuff, you gotta jump out the window before you bring smoke on 'em.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
It's almost easier nowadays to get shot by the bad guy and sort things out in court later than to shoot him first.

As I understand in Georgia, unless you've got no "avenue of escape," you can't shoot an intruder in your home. That means that if you're on the second floor of your house and someone's just roaming around, rummaging through your stuff, you gotta jump out the window before you bring smoke on 'em.
And that is just wrong. You should have the right to protect you & your family from the scum in this country. I'm glad the great state of Kentucky allows me do this.

To all those that believe in protecting your family....salute.

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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And that is just wrong. You should have the right to protect you & your family from the scum in this country. I'm glad the great state of Kentucky allows me do this.

To all those that believe in protecting your family....salute.

Ted Nugent for President!!!
I don't agree with that idea, but I can understand the reasoning about it. I don't wanna go through the legal hassle of blowing someone away if all they wanted was my television or something.

If they're coming at me with a weapon, that's a different story.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Spargo2
And that is just wrong. You should have the right to protect you & your family from the scum in this country. I'm glad the great state of Kentucky allows me do this.

To all those that believe in protecting your family....salute.

Ted Nugent for President!!!
Ted Nugent is a dork. But so am I. So I guess we're even.

Nah, he's a little..."out there", but he's a good ol' country boy. Even if he looks like a chipmunk with schizophrenia/bi-polar disorder.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
I don't agree with that idea, but I can understand the reasoning about it. I don't wanna go through the legal hassle of blowing someone away if all they wanted was my television or something.

If they're coming at me with a weapon, that's a different story.

Right. That's exactly what I mean. If he wants the TV, let him have it. It ain't worth killing him over. And if you startle him, he might shoot in your general direction and hit one or more of your children. Bullets go through walls, so... The main focus here is your family's, and your own safety.

Edit: Forgot to add, if I have to shoot to protect my family there is no law that will stop me. That's just plain silly.
 

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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As much as hate hearing this, in this case it might be your best bet:

I would rather get judged by 12 than carried by 6.

In my case, I usually sleep like a hibernating bear because I do a lot of 'specials' in my LE duties that last 24-48 hours at the time. However, if someone comes into our house at night, the map reader has easy access to my duty weapon and she's not afraid to use it. The perp will be armed with something, one way or another...


j/k, maybe...
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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One of the most important things in a case like this (especially in states like OH) is to make sure you hit your target, hit it multiple times and hope he dies. I've always heard (and been trained in some classes) that you keep pulling the trigger until your target is on the ground, no matter how many times you hit him. If he's dead, he can't urge the police to press charges nor can he sue for excessive use of force. Its always best to kill an intruder than to simply just maim/wound them.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BennyHanna
One of the most important things in a case like this (especially in states like OH) is to make sure you hit your target, hit it multiple times and hope he dies. I've always heard (and been trained in some classes) that you keep pulling the trigger until your target is on the ground, no matter how many times you hit him. If he's dead, he can't urge the police to press charges nor can he sue for excessive use of force. Its always best to kill an intruder than to simply just maim/wound them.

If you thought you had legal troubles shooting and killing an intruder in your home try just winging one. Woe be unto you.

Several have said that if someone busted into their home just to take a TV then they can have it. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'll be damned if I'm going to just sit by and let someone take a damn thing from me. Eff that. Additionally if you break into my home I'm going to assume that you aren't there to see how my mum and dad are doing and will act accordingly. YMMV
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 09:57 PM
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I'm not sure if this house bill passed in PA yet but it will.


Amending Titles 18 (Crimes and Offenses) and 42 (Judiciary and
Judicial Procedure) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated
Statutes, further providing, in general principles of
justification, for definitions, for use of force in self-
protection and for use of force for the protection of other
persons; and providing for civil immunity for use of force.

The General Assembly finds that:
(1) It is proper for law-abiding people to protect
themselves, their families and others from intruders and
attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for
acting in defense of themselves and others.
(2) The castle doctine is a common law doctrine of
ancient origins which declares that a home is a person's castle.
(3) Section 21 of Article I of the Constitution of
Pennsylvania guarantees that the "right of the citizens to
bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
(4) Persons residing in or visiting this Commonwealth
have a right to expect to remain unmolested within their
homes or vehicles.
(5) No person should be required to surrender his or her
personal safety to a criminal, nor should a person be
required to needlessly retreat in the face of intrusion or
attack outside the person's home or vehicle.



so basically if your coming into my home at 3am. you'll be getting a double tap.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PONY_DRIVER
If you thought you had legal troubles shooting and killing an intruder in your home try just winging one. Woe be unto you.

Several have said that if someone busted into their home just to take a TV then they can have it. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'll be damned if I'm going to just sit by and let someone take a damn thing from me. Eff that. Additionally if you break into my home I'm going to assume that you aren't there to see how my mum and dad are doing and will act accordingly. YMMV
You'd better be a damn good shot or unload the clip on him/her before they get a shot off...

What I'm saying is, if you have a "family" as in "little kids" and a "wife", or other family members in general, you should not open fire over a TV. If you do in fact kill him/her before they get a shot off in your general direction, good. That's a chance you took. You nailed them and your family is safe. Me, I have no wife or kids. I live in my Mom and Dad's basement. So I would open fire on the perp if they enter my house from downstairs. I sleep right by a door, so if they want to come in, it's their choice. If they entered from the front door, I have a clean shot away from my family members. You have to look at the unseen circumstances.

To a married man, or if your living with Mom and Dad, just imagine how his wife/kids or Mom/Dad will feel knowing their family members is in jail for murdering a person over a television set. Plus, if you miss and he/she does get a shot or two off and it hits one of your kids/wife/family members, or if the bullet goes through a wall and hits one of them while they're sleeping? How would you feel? Not to get all feely touchy here, but you never know what's going to happen.

It's not worth it. Not over a TV. There's too many "what if's" involved in that scenario to gamble over your family's lives and safety over material things.

I understand that people work hard to get the things they have. But to me, a family is more precious than a TV. We all have choices, and they're not all the same. I'm just trying to say there's different circumstances for different folks. So you can't judge a man that kills to save his life, or judge a man for keeping his family safe by keeping them low until the dumbazz gets what he wants and leaves for the sake of his family's safety.
 

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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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you say keep them safe? how can you do that with an intruder walking around the house. what happens if he sees you or hears you? i think you should take action before he does. its the only chance to keep the odds on your side.
 
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Old Jun 26, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Peacemaker
...What I'm saying is,...you should not open fire over a TV....
Yeah but, what if the game is on and it's the bottom of the Ninth?
The only way the perp is not going to get shot is if he takes the recliner, with me in it, and he better have a helluva extension cord
or I'm throwin' lead around.
 
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