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[QUOTE=KC-10 FE]Then who should be blamed?
Why do we have to blame anyone. This problem did not start yesterday. It took years to get us to this point.
I agree 60,000$ a year to put on a lug nut seems like alot. But if we continue to just let good paying jobs leave the country. We all lose in the long run.
I just dont think the focus should be on the little guy.
Why do we have to blame anyone. This problem did not start yesterday. It took years to get us to this point.
I agree 60,000$ a year to put on a lug nut seems like alot. But if we continue to just let good paying jobs leave the country. We all lose in the long run.
I just dont think the focus should be on the little guy.
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From: Brandon, MS
I know (and currently work with) engineers who formerly worked for unionized plants and were getting paid less than the person who's been sweeping the floor for 25 years, and several have masters degrees in engineering. $65k+ to put on lugs nuts on one tire every cycle is rediculous, espeically when the engineers program the torque settings and determine the process, quality techs make sure that the equipment is in spec, and maintenance keeps it running. We don't pay our production techs that much, and we get them to do more.
Personally, I'd get bored if that's all that I had to do all day long. I have four more days of 3 weeks of new hire production orientation (working on the line with the rest of the production techs), and I'm bored. I can't wait until July shutdown so that I can go to training for a week and then work on projects for a week before we crank back up.
Personally, I'd get bored if that's all that I had to do all day long. I have four more days of 3 weeks of new hire production orientation (working on the line with the rest of the production techs), and I'm bored. I can't wait until July shutdown so that I can go to training for a week and then work on projects for a week before we crank back up.
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Originally Posted by expy03
Please tell me you pulled that number out of your A$$, and that it's not true.
No wonder jobs are leaving the states.
No wonder jobs are leaving the states.
lets do some math:
$26/hr X 40 hrs/wk X 52 wk/yr = $54080/yr (low estimate)
$32/hr X 40 hrs/wk X 52 wk/yr = $66560/yr (high estimate)
If you figure in that some of these guys are pulling "time & half" overtime that number starts climbing. If my numbers are wrong, anyone please feel free to post the correct ones.
Originally Posted by mister ed
Why do we have to blame anyone. This problem did not start yesterday. It took years to get us to this point.
I agree 60,000$ a year to put on a lug nut seems like alot. But if we continue to just let good paying jobs leave the country. We all lose in the long run.
I just dont think the focus should be on the little guy.
I agree 60,000$ a year to put on a lug nut seems like alot. But if we continue to just let good paying jobs leave the country. We all lose in the long run.
I just dont think the focus should be on the little guy.
The problem: workers who believe they derserve $60000+/yr for doing a chimps work.
The solution: get rid of these clowns and start paying salaries or hourly wages that equate to what you actually do.
I remember when you could buy a loaded Chevy truck for $16000 & I'm only 32. You can thank Unions and ridiculous health care cost for that. Why do you think all the companies are shipping jobs out of the country? Simple, they can't afford US workers. Why do you think the Mexicans are jumping the border so fast? Simple. They can make 5 times as much in 1/2 the time as they can in MX. It's a disaster and we as a nation are watching it unfold and pretty much doing nothing about it. It pisses me off...
Originally Posted by Bighersh
I was so thinking something else when I saw F-150 "Tacos".
I was thinking hottines with gratuitous beaver shots, while sitting in an F-150.
I was thinking hottines with gratuitous beaver shots, while sitting in an F-150.
Is there a support group you can go to for this?KC-10 FE out...
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Originally Posted by mister ed
2% inflation is a crock. All fuels in the past 2 years have gone up 50% to 100%. 5000$ to 10000$ a year for housing. That 2% bs was to allow greenspan to keep intrest rates lo so all of his fat cat buddies made millions.
Some people may have got a 3% raise. But its a give and take. Health care cost went up, co pays went up, the list goes on and on.
In order to get something you have to give something.
Did Ceo's get the same increase? NO 3% of a 6 figure salery is alot more than 3% of 65,000 $ a year.
NOBODY WINS. We all lose. Without these good paying jobs the working man will be service jobs making 20,000$ with no benifits.
Who is going to pay the bills then?
The tax payer, thats who. More people out of work on welfare, goverment housing, healthcare.
Some people may have got a 3% raise. But its a give and take. Health care cost went up, co pays went up, the list goes on and on.
In order to get something you have to give something.
Did Ceo's get the same increase? NO 3% of a 6 figure salery is alot more than 3% of 65,000 $ a year.
NOBODY WINS. We all lose. Without these good paying jobs the working man will be service jobs making 20,000$ with no benifits.
Who is going to pay the bills then?
The tax payer, thats who. More people out of work on welfare, goverment housing, healthcare.
yeah, and the cost of your clothing, microwaves, etc came down because they are all made offshore.
Yes some things went up, others came down. Net 2% inflation.
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From: Nebraska
We had this same discussion 6 months ago.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=220731
Now, 6 months later what every one who was Union bashing predicted is actually starting to happen.
Its funny how the people who defend the unions are Shocked that all these jobs are going to Mexico. Every one else saw this coming......
Dont blame Ford. Its not their fault.
They arent choosing....Do we move or plants to Mexico or stay in the U.S.?
They are choosing.....Do we move our plant to Mexico or go broke?
Keep telling yourself that since your a Union Worker, your worth double what a non-union employee is worth. Im sure it will make you feel better about yourself when your job is in Mexico and your out on the street.
Then when you go out and start looking for a new job as a general laborer and people in the personel department double over laughing at you when you tell them what kind of a wage you are hoping for..........
Just maybe .......... just maybe .......... It might finally sink in.
The Unions are screwing the companies to get as much as they can, and if they dont stop its going to cost the Union workers every thing.....
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=220731
Now, 6 months later what every one who was Union bashing predicted is actually starting to happen.
Its funny how the people who defend the unions are Shocked that all these jobs are going to Mexico. Every one else saw this coming......
Dont blame Ford. Its not their fault.
They arent choosing....Do we move or plants to Mexico or stay in the U.S.?
They are choosing.....Do we move our plant to Mexico or go broke?
Keep telling yourself that since your a Union Worker, your worth double what a non-union employee is worth. Im sure it will make you feel better about yourself when your job is in Mexico and your out on the street.
Then when you go out and start looking for a new job as a general laborer and people in the personel department double over laughing at you when you tell them what kind of a wage you are hoping for..........
Just maybe .......... just maybe .......... It might finally sink in.
The Unions are screwing the companies to get as much as they can, and if they dont stop its going to cost the Union workers every thing.....
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
I was so thinking something else when I saw F-150 "Tacos".
I was thinking hottines with gratuitous beaver shots, while sitting in an F-150, bit no... Instead it was a shot at Ford for sending business to Mexico.
I guess the all-american F-150 is being De U.S.Americanized, in order to maimize the profits that remain in the USA.
I was thinking hottines with gratuitous beaver shots, while sitting in an F-150, bit no... Instead it was a shot at Ford for sending business to Mexico.
I guess the all-american F-150 is being De U.S.Americanized, in order to maimize the profits that remain in the USA.
I was thinking the same when I saw the "bacon" thread. Not once did anyone mention having 2 strips.
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Originally Posted by KC-10 FE
Then who should be blamed? The lug-nut-tightner-guy at a Ford or GM plant makes in the neighborhood of $30/hr + benefits. For easy math we'll say in the range of $60000-$65000 a year. A school teacher, charged with the education of everyone's heathen bastard, no respect for anyone but themselves kids, makes $40000 + benefits. I know this to be accurate since my next door neighbor is a HS teacher. In the military, an E-6, charged with the defense of the US Constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic, makes $36000 + benefits.
Please tell me now why some dude who does nothing but tighten lugnuts all day and get 2 hours of break and 45 minutes of lunch and paid vacations and better health care than the military, etc get paid as much as they do when a chimp, when properly trained, could probably do the same job.
KC-10 FE out...
Please tell me now why some dude who does nothing but tighten lugnuts all day and get 2 hours of break and 45 minutes of lunch and paid vacations and better health care than the military, etc get paid as much as they do when a chimp, when properly trained, could probably do the same job.
KC-10 FE out...
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Originally Posted by KC-10 FE
In the military, an E-6, charged with the defense of the US Constitution against all enemies foreign & domestic, makes $36000 + benefits.
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Originally Posted by 6T6CPE
Does $36,000 include sep rats, housing and clothing allowance?
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Originally Posted by KC-10 FE
No, that's why I said $36000 + benefits. They vary from location to location. What I make will be completely differently than an E-6 stationed at say, Little Rock AFB, AR.
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Originally Posted by 6T6CPE
With housing, food and clothing you should be close to $60,000. Even more with free medical.
I got to KWRI at the same time as 8 other enlisted guys in my squadron. I was smart enough to realize that buying a house is the ONLY way to go, not to mention that I needed a garage for my bikes. I was the only one of those 8 that went in over my head and purchased a house. The other 7 moved into base housing. Now, all 7 are kicking themselves in the butt for not doing the same. 2 of the 7 have offered to buy my house if I get this assignment to Germany. When I move I will pocket large $$$. When they move, they get to move out of base housing and not have a dime to show for it. Not to mention they have guys measuring their lawns with a ruler to see if it's within base standards.
Before anyone yells about a lowly enlisted slob making $60000/yr, realize that in NJ, I'm still not rolling in cash. I live in a lower middle class neighboorhood and it took me 4 years to scrape together the means to do home improvements to my house. To give you an estimate of the cost of things around here, the LOWEST estimate I've received to grind 6 24" & smaller stumps out of my yard is $850. I cut the trees down, I just want the stumps gone. To put attic steps in so they can install my new central AC would have been over $700. I did it myself in less than an afternoon. NJ ain't cheap...
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Originally Posted by wstahlm80
...because the UAW refuses to comprimise.....they feel that it is necessary for a line worker to make $65,000+ a year......until the UAW goes away....the "American Auto" will no longer be made in America...