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Ultimately, this fight for truth, justice, and the American way won't happen at all (In that it won't be won). You can not force democracy on a people, nor can you give it to them. Democracy is a system that is entered willingly (ultimately). If you fight for it, you do so out of a deep conviction and belief that is based on something you want and are willing to create for yourself. The middle east is not ready for democracy, and for the most part, they don't want it. It does not fit in with their culture . . . certainly not a democracy on the order of American democracy (although that is dying over here). (Yeah, yeah, I know, we are a Republic). Also, this war, be it "his" or not, is essentially against no one. As Raoul has pointed out repeatedly, we have declared war against a noun . . . an idea. You can't fight a war against such a thing. There is nothing to defeat and nothing to win. It is ultimately an exercise in futility.
Didn't Iran just vote???
Palistine???
Afghanistan???
Iraq???
All in greater percentages than here in America???
Quitters never win
Winners never quit
You know what is most scary??? The weakness of the left in this country....
Its one thing to make the vote to send servicemen into battle (Iraq) It is quite another to vote to send them into battle without the fortitude to stand behind that decision.
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Originally Posted by 06FordF150
Can't win anything if you quit??? What the heck?...
We could win.
We could then permanently ban the 'T' and the three 'r's from the English language forever.
(we need to keep the vowels).
I'm just saying I don't believe we can defeat 'Terror'.
I will believe it when...uh....I'll believe it when Pat Robertson leg presses 2,000 lbs.
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Originally Posted by kobiashi
"We", as a country become more divided with each day, and we as a country (certainly as the country we imagine ourselves to be) will cease to exist if it keeps up.
Some people seem to think that a change of the president will make everything all better. The "progressives" (see, I didn't say liberal this time) will be dancing around singing "ding-dong the witch is dead...." if our next president is a democrat. This us vs. them mentality isn't going anywhere soon. We have "progressives" who want democrats in office because they hate Bush and republicans. I don't want democrats in office because I think they are more likely to create more people dependant on tax payers dollars, and I don't want to have to pay for them.
Well, got to work now. I've got to earn my own living.
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Originally Posted by wittom
Why are "we" more divided? Is it because of the current administration? I don't think so, but apparently there are people who believe that that is the reason. We're being so simple these days. I don't understand why people can't look at themselves to see that "we" are the reason for the divide. That doesn't work when there is no accountability though. So, we continue to blame "Shrub", or what ever other derogatory terms are used.
Some people seem to think that a change of the president will make everything all better. The "progressives" (see, I didn't say liberal this time) will be dancing around singing "ding-dong the witch is dead...." if our next president is a democrat. This us vs. them mentality isn't going anywhere soon. We have "progressives" who want democrats in office because they hate Bush and republicans. I don't want democrats in office because I think they are more likely to create more people dependant on tax payers dollars, and I don't want to have to pay for them.
Well, got to work now. I've got to earn my own living.
Some people seem to think that a change of the president will make everything all better. The "progressives" (see, I didn't say liberal this time) will be dancing around singing "ding-dong the witch is dead...." if our next president is a democrat. This us vs. them mentality isn't going anywhere soon. We have "progressives" who want democrats in office because they hate Bush and republicans. I don't want democrats in office because I think they are more likely to create more people dependant on tax payers dollars, and I don't want to have to pay for them.
Well, got to work now. I've got to earn my own living.
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Originally Posted by wittom
Why are "we" more divided? Is it because of the current administration? I don't think so,
Originally Posted by wittom
. . . but apparently there are people who believe that that is the reason. We're being so simple these days. I don't understand why people can't look at themselves to see that "we" are the reason for the divide. That doesn't work when there is no accountability though. So, we continue to blame "Shrub", or what ever other derogatory terms are used.
Some people seem to think that a change of the president will make everything all better. The "progressives" (see, I didn't say liberal this time) will be dancing around singing "ding-dong the witch is dead...." if our next president is a democrat. This us vs. them mentality isn't going anywhere soon.
Some people seem to think that a change of the president will make everything all better. The "progressives" (see, I didn't say liberal this time) will be dancing around singing "ding-dong the witch is dead...." if our next president is a democrat. This us vs. them mentality isn't going anywhere soon.
Originally Posted by kobiashi™
. . . BOTH sides will act like children and do nothing but blame each other, engage in finger pointing and doing very little in terms of action, and what they do end up doing is nothing more than attempting to undermine each other, which ultimately undermines us all. Liberal or conservative (the terms have little meaning any more) in terms of the politicians in office and the powers behind them, are pretty much the same any more . . . useless a-holes interested only in their own survival and foolish partisan politics for the sake of partisan politics.
It's amazing on how much we agree, ain't it?
The exchanges that go on every so often in these forums are an excellent example of the "us" v. "them" mentality that exists on a grander scale. People write their opinion, glaze over them, then state theirs without much, if any, actual acknowledgment or what they just read. (By the way, I am not accusing you of this wittom, as you actually acknowledge what I have written, it's just that many posts in these forums show that much agreement exists, which many here seem to believe is not the case). It's a lot like that line in Fight Club which examines how people don't actually communicate, that each is only waiting for their turn to talk.
I bring this up because when it is pointed out that a war against an ideology is un-winnable, the response by those not listening is that such a statement is a call to "cut and run", and to accuse those who point out such a point as "quitters". Such is not the case. Such a response, based on a limited black and white thinking process, is the type of response that when it is pointed out that there will always be crime, those same people would interpret that as a call to abandon all police.
Uh . . . NOT.
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Originally Posted by kobiashi
Are we taking bets on what Shrub will do next to divert attention away from immigration problems, eroding public perception of his war, the economy and the nation's massive debt, eroding foreign policy and perception of the U.S. worldwide . . .
trying to rally the faithful around an AMENDMENT banning gay marriage just failed in the House . . . .
now what is he going to do?
How long has it been since the color coded threat chart was knocked up a level or two?
Either that or some other dog and pony show. Anything to keep our attention diverted from what's really going on.
trying to rally the faithful around an AMENDMENT banning gay marriage just failed in the House . . . .
now what is he going to do?
How long has it been since the color coded threat chart was knocked up a level or two?
Either that or some other dog and pony show. Anything to keep our attention diverted from what's really going on.
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Originally Posted by 06FordF150
Can't win anything if you quit??? What the heck??
Didn't Iran just vote???
Palistine???
Afghanistan???
Iraq???
All in greater percentages than here in America???
Quitters never win
Winners never quit
You know what is most scary??? The weakness of the left in this country....
Its one thing to make the vote to send servicemen into battle (Iraq) It is quite another to vote to send them into battle without the fortitude to stand behind that decision.
Didn't Iran just vote???
Palistine???
Afghanistan???
Iraq???
All in greater percentages than here in America???
Quitters never win
Winners never quit
You know what is most scary??? The weakness of the left in this country....
Its one thing to make the vote to send servicemen into battle (Iraq) It is quite another to vote to send them into battle without the fortitude to stand behind that decision.
