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Originally Posted by howitzer
PS- Why is the Mexican Consul getting involved? Because Mexico doesn't want them back.
Rant: Why is it that everytime we see Bush and Vincente Fox together on TV, they're buddy-buddy? I'd much rather see Bush with his finger in Fox's face, telling him he better get this crap fixed or he's gonna get an *** whoopin' his momma never gave him!!! Stop mollycottling this piece of sh\t and tell him what's up!!!
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What's Up?
I'll tell you what's up...
Republicans aren't going to fix the problem.
Democrats aren't going to fix the problem.
The problem isnt going to get fixed.
The fix is pretty easy:
1. Improve border protection and deport the illegals
2. Hammer business owners with harsh penalties for hiring the illegals.
Neither will get done because neither party wants to fix it.
I'll tell you what's up...
Republicans aren't going to fix the problem.
Democrats aren't going to fix the problem.
The problem isnt going to get fixed.
The fix is pretty easy:
1. Improve border protection and deport the illegals
2. Hammer business owners with harsh penalties for hiring the illegals.
Neither will get done because neither party wants to fix it.
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Originally Posted by vader716
What's Up?
I'll tell you what's up...
Republicans aren't going to fix the problem.
Democrats aren't going to fix the problem.
The problem isnt going to get fixed.
The fix is pretty easy:
1. Improve border protection and deport the illegals
2. Hammer business owners with harsh penalties for hiring the illegals.
Neither will get done because neither party wants to fix it.
I'll tell you what's up...
Republicans aren't going to fix the problem.
Democrats aren't going to fix the problem.
The problem isnt going to get fixed.
The fix is pretty easy:
1. Improve border protection and deport the illegals
2. Hammer business owners with harsh penalties for hiring the illegals.
Neither will get done because neither party wants to fix it.
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First of all I will say I want the Illegals gone as much as the next guy but at the same time I'm a realist. There's 14 million illegal aliens in this country. Not only would it take years maybe even decades to deport all 14 million of them it would cost us billions and billions of dollars. The only Viable solution is to make the ones that are already here legal.
Lets do some math here. Theres 14 million Illegals here, not paying taxes and sucking up government resources. Now lets just say on average lets say they pay $3,000 in federal income tax per year, thats $42 billion per year. 1 year of that is enough in one year to build a wall at the border and upgrade the INS's capabilities. Not only that after the wall is built use that money to put back the money that been basically stolen from the system over the years and why social security is going broke.
We can spend money that we don't have to deport them or we can profit from them..........which makes more sense?
Ohh and i say once the wall is built as a penalty, I say refuse any new immigrants from mexico for at least a decade
Lets do some math here. Theres 14 million Illegals here, not paying taxes and sucking up government resources. Now lets just say on average lets say they pay $3,000 in federal income tax per year, thats $42 billion per year. 1 year of that is enough in one year to build a wall at the border and upgrade the INS's capabilities. Not only that after the wall is built use that money to put back the money that been basically stolen from the system over the years and why social security is going broke.
We can spend money that we don't have to deport them or we can profit from them..........which makes more sense?
Ohh and i say once the wall is built as a penalty, I say refuse any new immigrants from mexico for at least a decade
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
...we should get the mexicans to build the wall, too 
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There's 14 million illegal aliens in this country.
Not only would it take years maybe even decades to deport all 14 million of them it would cost us billions and billions of dollars. The only Viable solution is to make the ones that are already here legal.
As for making them legal, A) That is not the only viable alternative, and B) it sets a terrible precedent, not to mention that it is an insult to all immigrants who went through the long and arduous process of getting here legally. It also devalues citizenship in this country and will also result in a flood of more illegal immigration.
Lets do some math here. Theres 14 million Illegals here, not paying taxes and sucking up government resources.
We can spend money that we don't have to deport them or we can profit from them..........which makes more sense?
Here's how you solve the problem.
A) Start building a wall the entire length of the border . . . without fanfare . . . just do it.
While this is going on . . . .
B) Pass legislation that rescinds citizenship status for children of anyone in this country without proper documentation. This extends retroactively indefinitely and applies forward too.
C) Pass legislation that prevents undocumented aliens from receiving any social services, education, health care, etc. etc. etc. No exceptions.
D) Require proof of legal status to work (and here is the big part to all this . . . ) and make the business owners (and executives) responsible for hiring illegals. It will be up to the businesses to check their employees status. Government will check on the businesses. If workers who are in this country are here illegally and are employed, you bust the business owners and executives. Trust me, when a bunch of CEOs and such are shown on TV making their perp-walks to jail, you will see businesses start to clean up their acts.
Once all work dries up and services dry up, there is no reason for them to be here. They will be faced with the choice of leave or starve.
The key to all this is to have the resolve to actually bust the business owners if they employee illegals, and to have the ***** to withhold all services and rescind citizenship from the kids of illegals that were born here.
If we can do that, it will work. If not, say hello to third world status for the U.S.
Of course, it will never happen because no one is willing to come to terms with it, so good luck to those of you left in the U.S. because the reconquista is well under way. I'll be watching from the land of chocolate and watches. Have fun.
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
I agree, but we'd have to offer emergency healthcare...that's all
Originally Posted by lees99f150
kobiashi for president in 08.
Originally Posted by CrAz3D
Please run for office kobi?...
NOT!
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Originally Posted by kobiashi
Actually, there are probably more than this (which will make deportation logistically impossible, but you don't have to deport them, you can get them to leave willingly (more on this in a moment)).
Incorrect, but let's address what you wrote in order. As I mentioned, logistically, you can not do it. Second, billions and billions is not the issue. Here in Los Angeles County alone in 2005 more than 5 BILLION DOLLARS (yes, that was billion with a "B") was spent paying for social services, schooling, health/hospital costs, and all other benefits. Yup, the County of Los Angeles spent billions providing services to illegal aliens that we don't even give to legal residents here. We'd gladly foot the bill to pay for a wall. It would save us money and be cheaper than what we already pay. Here in LA, 7 emergency rooms in hospitals (and sometimes the entire hospital) were shut down due to bankruptcy. Why? Because undocumented aliens (read...Mexicans in this country illegally) use the emergency rooms for their entire family's medical needs, almost always non-emergency. This also results in waiting hour upon hour upon hour to get into an emergency room even if you have a legitimate need. Anyway, the money LA County alone would save in just one year would foot a lot of the bill. We'll be happy to pay for it.
As for making them legal, A) That is not the only viable alternative, and B) it sets a terrible precedent, not to mention that it is an insult to all immigrants who went through the long and arduous process of getting here legally. It also devalues citizenship in this country and will also result in a flood of more illegal immigration.
Not entirely true. Many actually do pay taxes, and in fact, because many of them use false Social security numbers, they pay social security taxes that they can not collect on, so essentially they have helped keep social security a little more solvent. Granted, they "suck up" a lot more than they pay in in the overall scheme of things.
Neither. "Profiting" from them entails having them remain in this country and that can't be allowed to continue, even if they are paying into the system. From a political and moral standpoint it is wrong. And, we don't have to pay to deport them because we don't have to deport them. We can get them to leave on their own . . . willingly. All you have to do is dry up all the work.
Here's how you solve the problem.
A) Start building a wall the entire length of the border . . . without fanfare . . . just do it.
While this is going on . . . .
B) Pass legislation that rescinds citizenship status for children of anyone in this country without proper documentation. This extends retroactively indefinitely and applies forward too.
C) Pass legislation that prevents undocumented aliens from receiving any social services, education, health care, etc. etc. etc. No exceptions.
D) Require proof of legal status to work (and here is the big part to all this . . . ) and make the business owners (and executives) responsible for hiring illegals. It will be up to the businesses to check their employees status. Government will check on the businesses. If workers who are in this country are here illegally and are employed, you bust the business owners and executives. Trust me, when a bunch of CEOs and such are shown on TV making their perp-walks to jail, you will see businesses start to clean up their acts.
Once all work dries up and services dry up, there is no reason for them to be here. They will be faced with the choice of leave or starve.
The key to all this is to have the resolve to actually bust the business owners if they employee illegals, and to have the ***** to withhold all services and rescind citizenship from the kids of illegals that were born here.
If we can do that, it will work. If not, say hello to third world status for the U.S.
Of course, it will never happen because no one is willing to come to terms with it, so good luck to those of you left in the U.S. because the reconquista is well under way. I'll be watching from the land of chocolate and watches. Have fun.
Incorrect, but let's address what you wrote in order. As I mentioned, logistically, you can not do it. Second, billions and billions is not the issue. Here in Los Angeles County alone in 2005 more than 5 BILLION DOLLARS (yes, that was billion with a "B") was spent paying for social services, schooling, health/hospital costs, and all other benefits. Yup, the County of Los Angeles spent billions providing services to illegal aliens that we don't even give to legal residents here. We'd gladly foot the bill to pay for a wall. It would save us money and be cheaper than what we already pay. Here in LA, 7 emergency rooms in hospitals (and sometimes the entire hospital) were shut down due to bankruptcy. Why? Because undocumented aliens (read...Mexicans in this country illegally) use the emergency rooms for their entire family's medical needs, almost always non-emergency. This also results in waiting hour upon hour upon hour to get into an emergency room even if you have a legitimate need. Anyway, the money LA County alone would save in just one year would foot a lot of the bill. We'll be happy to pay for it.
As for making them legal, A) That is not the only viable alternative, and B) it sets a terrible precedent, not to mention that it is an insult to all immigrants who went through the long and arduous process of getting here legally. It also devalues citizenship in this country and will also result in a flood of more illegal immigration.
Not entirely true. Many actually do pay taxes, and in fact, because many of them use false Social security numbers, they pay social security taxes that they can not collect on, so essentially they have helped keep social security a little more solvent. Granted, they "suck up" a lot more than they pay in in the overall scheme of things.
Neither. "Profiting" from them entails having them remain in this country and that can't be allowed to continue, even if they are paying into the system. From a political and moral standpoint it is wrong. And, we don't have to pay to deport them because we don't have to deport them. We can get them to leave on their own . . . willingly. All you have to do is dry up all the work.
Here's how you solve the problem.
A) Start building a wall the entire length of the border . . . without fanfare . . . just do it.
While this is going on . . . .
B) Pass legislation that rescinds citizenship status for children of anyone in this country without proper documentation. This extends retroactively indefinitely and applies forward too.
C) Pass legislation that prevents undocumented aliens from receiving any social services, education, health care, etc. etc. etc. No exceptions.
D) Require proof of legal status to work (and here is the big part to all this . . . ) and make the business owners (and executives) responsible for hiring illegals. It will be up to the businesses to check their employees status. Government will check on the businesses. If workers who are in this country are here illegally and are employed, you bust the business owners and executives. Trust me, when a bunch of CEOs and such are shown on TV making their perp-walks to jail, you will see businesses start to clean up their acts.
Once all work dries up and services dry up, there is no reason for them to be here. They will be faced with the choice of leave or starve.
The key to all this is to have the resolve to actually bust the business owners if they employee illegals, and to have the ***** to withhold all services and rescind citizenship from the kids of illegals that were born here.
If we can do that, it will work. If not, say hello to third world status for the U.S.
Of course, it will never happen because no one is willing to come to terms with it, so good luck to those of you left in the U.S. because the reconquista is well under way. I'll be watching from the land of chocolate and watches. Have fun.
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Originally Posted by kobiashi
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Here's how you solve the problem.
A) Start building a wall the entire length of the border . . . without fanfare . . . just do it.
While this is going on . . . .
B) Pass legislation that rescinds citizenship status for children of anyone in this country without proper documentation. This extends retroactively indefinitely and applies forward too.
C) Pass legislation that prevents undocumented aliens from receiving any social services, education, health care, etc. etc. etc. No exceptions.
D) Require proof of legal status to work (and here is the big part to all this . . . ) and make the business owners (and executives) responsible for hiring illegals. It will be up to the businesses to check their employees status. Government will check on the businesses. If workers who are in this country are here illegally and are employed, you bust the business owners and executives. Trust me, when a bunch of CEOs and such are shown on TV making their perp-walks to jail, you will see businesses start to clean up their acts.
Once all work dries up and services dry up, there is no reason for them to be here. They will be faced with the choice of leave or starve.
The key to all this is to have the resolve to actually bust the business owners if they employee illegals, and to have the ***** to withhold all services and rescind citizenship from the kids of illegals that were born here.
If we can do that, it will work. If not, say hello to third world status for the U.S.
Of course, it will never happen because no one is willing to come to terms with it, so good luck to those of you left in the U.S. because the reconquista is well under way. I'll be watching from the land of chocolate and watches. Have fun.
Here's how you solve the problem.
A) Start building a wall the entire length of the border . . . without fanfare . . . just do it.
While this is going on . . . .
B) Pass legislation that rescinds citizenship status for children of anyone in this country without proper documentation. This extends retroactively indefinitely and applies forward too.
C) Pass legislation that prevents undocumented aliens from receiving any social services, education, health care, etc. etc. etc. No exceptions.
D) Require proof of legal status to work (and here is the big part to all this . . . ) and make the business owners (and executives) responsible for hiring illegals. It will be up to the businesses to check their employees status. Government will check on the businesses. If workers who are in this country are here illegally and are employed, you bust the business owners and executives. Trust me, when a bunch of CEOs and such are shown on TV making their perp-walks to jail, you will see businesses start to clean up their acts.
Once all work dries up and services dry up, there is no reason for them to be here. They will be faced with the choice of leave or starve.
The key to all this is to have the resolve to actually bust the business owners if they employee illegals, and to have the ***** to withhold all services and rescind citizenship from the kids of illegals that were born here.
If we can do that, it will work. If not, say hello to third world status for the U.S.
Of course, it will never happen because no one is willing to come to terms with it, so good luck to those of you left in the U.S. because the reconquista is well under way. I'll be watching from the land of chocolate and watches. Have fun.
B - Works, do it
C- Our "refined" nature will not allow us to do this. I couldn't refuse treatment to a 6 year old kid who broke his/her arm, illegal or not. Fix em then deport them.
D - The best solution yet but it wont happen.
Making illegals legal wouldn't set a precedent though. I believe it was in 86 that we did it once before....I'd have to check the year going off of memory.
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Originally Posted by Budha05STX
This all sounds good to me but this includes illegal Jews, Canadians, Asians, and every other country also, not just Mexicans and South Americans.....RIGHT???? Don't start flip-floping on this issue if it doesn't include ALL illegals not just the one's protesting regardless of how long they've been in this country.
Whoa there cowboy! All bold font? WOW!
Illegal Jews?!? In case the school system you attended didn't teach geography, there is no country of "Jew". Granted, while someone in this country illegally could be Jewish, his citizenship status would be from the COUNTRY he had citizenship with, not his RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
That said, if you got all bent out of shape and assumed that this line from the post -
" . . . Because undocumented aliens (read...Mexicans in this country illegally) use the emergency rooms for their entire family's medical needs, almost always non-emergency."
- meant that I viewed only our South-O-The-Border cousins as illegal immigrants, such is not the case. I highlighted Mexicans in this instance because I was referencing a specific issue here in Lost Angeles. Could there have been illegal immigrants other than Mexicans who have taken advantage of the hospital system? Sure, there could have been, but the fact remains that, in this case, it is they who shut down many emergency rooms and hospitals here, and if there was anyone else who was undocumented who used hospital emergency rooms, their number would have been so low as to be insignificant.
Regardless, and I speak for myself here, my stand on this in the past (and it will remain so in the future) does not flip-flop. "NO EXCEPTIONS" means just that. NO EXCEPTIONS, and not just in regard to services withheld, but who they are withheld from. They may be in this country illegally from France, Germany, India, etc., etc., etc., (insert country of choice here) . . . and they may even be Jewish (or Buddhist) to boot! Not here legally? Bye-Bye.
Last edited by kobiashi; May 6, 2006 at 02:19 PM. Reason: I had not had enough coffee to be able to type.
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I'm with Kobi on this one. I think the best way to solve this problem is to make it so uncomfortable for the illegals that they swim back across the Rio. As for the emergency medical care, sure right after you show me some ID. What, no ID? So sorry you can go bleed over in the corner of the parking lot. If you would not be here illegally then you would not have gotten hurt. Sucks to be you. If some other country has a problem with that, well then I have a deal for you. If you like them so much, send over a boat and get all the illegals that you want.
Make it so that a business that gets caught with illegal workers pays such a hefty fine that no one is willing to take the risk. With no work and no handouts then there would be no reason to come here.
Joe
Make it so that a business that gets caught with illegal workers pays such a hefty fine that no one is willing to take the risk. With no work and no handouts then there would be no reason to come here.
Joe