When will this stop!!
When will this stop!!
When will this crap stop. Imagine trying this in a courtroom in the USA. They should have stuck a .50cal in his head in the hole and covered it with dirt, case closed.
Saddam Hussein Removed From Court Room By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
14 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein's trial quickly collapsed into chaos after resuming Sunday with one defendant dragged out of court and the defense team walking out in protest. The former Iraqi leader was then ejected after shouting "down with traitors" and "down with America."
The new chief judge in the trial, Raouf Abdel-Rahman, sought to show tough control over the court. He was brought in a shake-up sparked when his predecessor resigned this month after complaints that he was not doing enough to rein in Saddam's frequent courtroom outbursts.
But the stormy session Sunday — the first in a month — will likely increase doubts over the trial's fairness, already raised by the shake-up that brought in Abdel-Rahman.
After a defense lawyer was removed, the entire defense team left in protest as the judge shouted after them, "Any lawyer who walks out will not be allowed back into this courtroom."
Abdel-Rahman appointed four new defense lawyers. But two other defendants, Taha Yassin Ramadan and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, said they opposed the appointment and demanded to leave. They were escorted out.
The proceedings resumed with only four of the eight defendants present, and none of their original lawyers. The court began hearing an anonymous female prosecution witness, who testified from behind a light blue curtain, as several earlier witnesses have done to protect them from reprisals.
The chaos began within 15 minutes of the session's start. After the judge's opening statement, Saddam's co-defendant Barzan Ibrahim stood and asked to address the court. Abdel-Rahman, who had already shouted at one defense lawyer for interrupting, told him to make his point quickly. Ibrahim called the court "the daughter of a *****."
At this point, the delayed television feed showing the proceedings was cut off. The video, which is control of the judges, resumed some time later, cutting out the removal of Ibrahim and the subsequent fight with the lawyers but showing the judge's arguments with Saddam.
After Ibrahim's outburst, the judge ordered him to sit down, shouting, "One more word and I'm throwing you out." When Ibrahim refused to sit, two burly guards grabbed him by the arms and after some pushing and shoving, dragged him out of the court.
As they scuffled, Saddam stood and shouted, "Down with the traitors. Down with America." Defense lawyers began shouting as well. "Is this a street demonstration, are you lawyers?" Abdel-Rahman barked at them.
The judge turned to defense lawyer, Salih al-Armouti, a Jordanian who recently joined the team, and said, "Can you do this in your own courts in your country?"
"My country gives me my rights," al-Armouti replied.
Abdel-Rahman ordered guards to take al-Armouti out of the court, saying, "You have incited your clients and we will start criminal proceedings against you." When al-Armouti was removed, the rest of the defense team left in protest.
Saddam then stood and said he wanted to leave the court. "You do not leave, I allow you to leave when I want to," Abdel-Rahman said.
"I was the president for 35 years," Saddam replied.
"I am the judge and you are the defendant," the judge said. Two guards pushed Saddam by his shoulders back into his chair, but then the judge ordered them to lead him out of the room.
Abdel-Rahman came into the session aiming to impose control on a trial that has been plagued by delays and frequent outbursts by Saddam and Ibrahim, who is Saddam's half brother and former intelligence chief.
Heading into Sunday's session, Saddam's defense team said they would file motions questioning the court's independence and legitimacy because of the shake-up among the judges.
Saddam and his seven co-defendants are charged in the deaths of about 140 Shiite Muslims following an assassination attempt against the former Iraqi leader in the Shiite town of Dujail in 1982. The defendants could face death by hanging if convicted.
After the last session on Dec. 22, the court was thrown into confusion when the chief judge hearing the case since the beginning, Rizgar Mohammed Amin, resigned.
Saddam Hussein Removed From Court Room By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
14 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein's trial quickly collapsed into chaos after resuming Sunday with one defendant dragged out of court and the defense team walking out in protest. The former Iraqi leader was then ejected after shouting "down with traitors" and "down with America."
The new chief judge in the trial, Raouf Abdel-Rahman, sought to show tough control over the court. He was brought in a shake-up sparked when his predecessor resigned this month after complaints that he was not doing enough to rein in Saddam's frequent courtroom outbursts.
But the stormy session Sunday — the first in a month — will likely increase doubts over the trial's fairness, already raised by the shake-up that brought in Abdel-Rahman.
After a defense lawyer was removed, the entire defense team left in protest as the judge shouted after them, "Any lawyer who walks out will not be allowed back into this courtroom."
Abdel-Rahman appointed four new defense lawyers. But two other defendants, Taha Yassin Ramadan and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, said they opposed the appointment and demanded to leave. They were escorted out.
The proceedings resumed with only four of the eight defendants present, and none of their original lawyers. The court began hearing an anonymous female prosecution witness, who testified from behind a light blue curtain, as several earlier witnesses have done to protect them from reprisals.
The chaos began within 15 minutes of the session's start. After the judge's opening statement, Saddam's co-defendant Barzan Ibrahim stood and asked to address the court. Abdel-Rahman, who had already shouted at one defense lawyer for interrupting, told him to make his point quickly. Ibrahim called the court "the daughter of a *****."
At this point, the delayed television feed showing the proceedings was cut off. The video, which is control of the judges, resumed some time later, cutting out the removal of Ibrahim and the subsequent fight with the lawyers but showing the judge's arguments with Saddam.
After Ibrahim's outburst, the judge ordered him to sit down, shouting, "One more word and I'm throwing you out." When Ibrahim refused to sit, two burly guards grabbed him by the arms and after some pushing and shoving, dragged him out of the court.
As they scuffled, Saddam stood and shouted, "Down with the traitors. Down with America." Defense lawyers began shouting as well. "Is this a street demonstration, are you lawyers?" Abdel-Rahman barked at them.
The judge turned to defense lawyer, Salih al-Armouti, a Jordanian who recently joined the team, and said, "Can you do this in your own courts in your country?"
"My country gives me my rights," al-Armouti replied.
Abdel-Rahman ordered guards to take al-Armouti out of the court, saying, "You have incited your clients and we will start criminal proceedings against you." When al-Armouti was removed, the rest of the defense team left in protest.
Saddam then stood and said he wanted to leave the court. "You do not leave, I allow you to leave when I want to," Abdel-Rahman said.
"I was the president for 35 years," Saddam replied.
"I am the judge and you are the defendant," the judge said. Two guards pushed Saddam by his shoulders back into his chair, but then the judge ordered them to lead him out of the room.
Abdel-Rahman came into the session aiming to impose control on a trial that has been plagued by delays and frequent outbursts by Saddam and Ibrahim, who is Saddam's half brother and former intelligence chief.
Heading into Sunday's session, Saddam's defense team said they would file motions questioning the court's independence and legitimacy because of the shake-up among the judges.
Saddam and his seven co-defendants are charged in the deaths of about 140 Shiite Muslims following an assassination attempt against the former Iraqi leader in the Shiite town of Dujail in 1982. The defendants could face death by hanging if convicted.
After the last session on Dec. 22, the court was thrown into confusion when the chief judge hearing the case since the beginning, Rizgar Mohammed Amin, resigned.
Originally Posted by JJG052590
Whenever he stops being gay and just admits that he's stupid and is gonna be killed! 

Originally Posted by mountaineer02v8
agreed. This should never have been taking place in the first place. He should have been killed a long time ago. Stop the non-sence and just get it over with or just lock him up and leave him a lone so he rots in his cell the rest of his life and sufers.
I've decided that our sentence is gonna suck so we're just gonna give him to the iraqis and they'll prolly tortue him by hanging him up on a building and burning him and shooting him with AK-47s; either way he needs to be gotten rid of!
Originally Posted by 98Lariet4x4
No, give him to the families of our troops that have died over there.... THAT is just punishment.
True but he also was tortured ppl that live there so which was is just?
That's an argument of semantics, of which I'm not willing to engage. I just think from a purely American point of view, it's the right thing. I'd worry that if we let him go back over there, that his sphere of influence might put him back in power, and all of them American kids would have died for nothing. We have custody, we should show him no more mercy than he ever visited upon anyone else. Unfortunatly, there are these things called liberals....
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Sounds like it already is starting to stop:
"The new chief judge in the trial, Raouf Abdel-Rahman, sought to show tough control over the court."
from other sources:
The trial's new chief judge, Raouf Rasheed Abdel-Rahman, wielded a heavy hand in trying to establish order in the courtroom, resulting in the expulsion of one defendant -- Barzan Hassan -- and a defense attorney.
In the opening moments of the proceedings . . .Rahman told the court that "political speeches" would not be tolerated. "Any accused who oversteps the line will be thrown out of court and will be tried in absentia," he said.
Hassan, Hussein's half brother and former chief of intelligence, began to challenge the court's legitimacy, calling it the "daughter of a *****."
"I will not allow you to insult this court," Abdel-Rahman said.
After an exchange, Hassan was dragged from the courtroom. Several defense team lawyers stood, and one attorney began screaming at Abdel-Rahman, prompting the judge to say, "This is not a platform."
The judge had the attorney removed from the court, leading the rest of the defense team to say they were leaving.
As the attorneys prepared to go, the judge warned them that if they did so, they would not be allowed back inside the courtroom for any other sessions.
Sounds like this judge won't put up with any BS and it's going to result in them all eventually being tried in absentia . . . which is the only way this trial will ever see an end.
"The new chief judge in the trial, Raouf Abdel-Rahman, sought to show tough control over the court."
from other sources:
The trial's new chief judge, Raouf Rasheed Abdel-Rahman, wielded a heavy hand in trying to establish order in the courtroom, resulting in the expulsion of one defendant -- Barzan Hassan -- and a defense attorney.
In the opening moments of the proceedings . . .Rahman told the court that "political speeches" would not be tolerated. "Any accused who oversteps the line will be thrown out of court and will be tried in absentia," he said.
Hassan, Hussein's half brother and former chief of intelligence, began to challenge the court's legitimacy, calling it the "daughter of a *****."
"I will not allow you to insult this court," Abdel-Rahman said.
After an exchange, Hassan was dragged from the courtroom. Several defense team lawyers stood, and one attorney began screaming at Abdel-Rahman, prompting the judge to say, "This is not a platform."
The judge had the attorney removed from the court, leading the rest of the defense team to say they were leaving.
As the attorneys prepared to go, the judge warned them that if they did so, they would not be allowed back inside the courtroom for any other sessions.
Sounds like this judge won't put up with any BS and it's going to result in them all eventually being tried in absentia . . . which is the only way this trial will ever see an end.
Originally Posted by buckdropper
When will this crap stop. Imagine trying this in a courtroom in the USA. They should have stuck a .50cal in his head in the hole and covered it with dirt, case closed.
-Travis
Originally Posted by BigTRQ
This is what I'm saying. Should have offed him, then stuck a gun in his hand and said it was "self-defense." This sorry excuse for a "trial" is getting ridiculous. All it is showing is that the government that Iraq supposedly has isn't really all that strong.
-Travis
-Travis
By the way, just offing him would have made him a martyr. Sure, what's going on in this "trial" is dumb, but it allows the world to see him and his behaviour.
Let them pretend to have a trial . . . then kill him. As long as it looks like it was decreed by his countrymen, over time it will appear like something just happened and not have the mythic hero effect that wasting him in the spider hole would have had.
It's all about playing the game and bringing about the result that puts everyone to sleep so they forget.
Sheep, my friend, sheep.
Just my 2 Cents worth.
#1. Should have blowed him up while he was still in the hole.
#2. Get out of Iraq.
#3. Build a frikken huge barbed wire fence around Iraq.
#4. Shoot anyone coming out.
#5. Strip-search everyone going in.
#6. Sit back and watch them kill each other.
#7. Shoot the last one standing.
End of problem.
#1. Should have blowed him up while he was still in the hole.
#2. Get out of Iraq.
#3. Build a frikken huge barbed wire fence around Iraq.
#4. Shoot anyone coming out.
#5. Strip-search everyone going in.
#6. Sit back and watch them kill each other.
#7. Shoot the last one standing.
End of problem.


