yaknow...

when i played drums in cover bands in the 80's and 90's....

smoking was not a problem anywhere in clubs and wherever...

when i'd come home and take a shower after a gig....

OH MAN WOULD MY HAIR STINK!!!!!

bad bad bad

my clothes...(yes spandix) stink?..yuk



smoking is no good for any ryhm or reason


























































no..it's not























...zap!

 

I agree with the post that stated you do NOT have a “right” not to breathe in someone else’s smoke, nor does a person have a “right” to smoke where ever they wish…

People who “think” they have a right NOT to breathe in other peoples smoke have NO clue what the word “right” even means as do people who “think” they have a right to smoke where ever they wish…

Your rights are clearly outlined in a very well written document called the United States Constitution. In that document you will see there are some nicely outlined rights. None of which mention anything about smoking, abortion, driving, owning a business and running it how ever you wish…

Unfortunately many liberals have done a great job at brainwashing Americans in believing they have all these rights…

Smoking is a privilege, driving is a privilege, owning a business is a privilege, drinking is a privilege, all of which can be limited, restricted and/or taken away at any time if so desired by the majority of Americans and/or your local court system.

What Americans should be more concerned about is the lose of many current privileges we now enjoy.

Hopefully one day the privilege of drinking in any public place, other then the privacy of ones home, will be banned and outlawed because more people are killed every year due to drunks then smoking has ever done since the day people began to smoke.

It will happen one day but first they go after the easy privileges where there are easy targets like smoking…

Good luck all with the privileges you now have because one day those too will be banned and outlawed (drinking, yapping on a cell phone in public, etc.), be careful what you wish for…

 

"If you really want to know how bad 2nd hand smoke is, see the '...yet we were fine thread'. How many people smkoed in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, and yet, we are fine."



Yea....try telling my dead grandparents about that...dead in their 50's

 

Sooo.... we should not pass laws to protect our society? Just do what we want, when we want? Kinda like a Mad Max movie? Sounds like fun!

Has cocaine always been illegal in the United States? Probably not... at some point someone realized that it was bad for society and laws were proposed and passed... I'm sure those that used coke were pretty pissed when that happened!

Some of us are old enough to remember when drinking and driving was not a big deal. Sure there were laws against it, but they really weren't enforced and when they were, the fines were pretty soft. Know anyone that was killed by a drunk? Is it your right to drink and drive? Know anyone that died of cancer? Is it your right to smoke wherever you wish? Yes, I know I am using the word 'right' when we are really talking about choice.

I gotta agree with Zap and some of the others. There is nothing good about smoking. Like I said earlier, most people start when they are too young to know better and then can't quit. Someone mentioned having to pay higher life insurance premiums because they smoke. There is a reason for that. Smoking has been linked to numerous diseases and the mortality tables say that smokers die at a younger age. There has been talk for years about medical insurance premiums being higher for smokers too. Smokers typically have more health problems and medical expenses than non-smokers. Right now, for the most part we all share the cost equally. Should non-smokers pay higher premiums to cover the higher medical costs for the smokers?

Too funny that those that don't like to breath cigarette smoke and don't mind laws restricting where people can smoke are branded as liberals. Not sure how that connection was made

 

So I as just gonna let this one die, since it rans its course yesterday and stayed within the top 5 threads all day, and three of those 5 are sticky's. Anyway, I do my morning ritual and pull into Dunkin Donuts and walk to the door. AS soon as I get around the corner to the door, here's and employee of the place huddled up in the corner smoking. I walk thru the smoke and go get my coffee. AS I walk out I see her take that one last long drag. She turned,,and blew it right in my face as I walked out the door, looks at me and says " have a nice Day". I wonder how she would've felt if I spit my hot cofee in her face, looked at her and said have a nice day.....

Then I get to the light where I turn off to come to work, and dont you know, the guy in front of me, rolls his window down and throws his burning cig out the window.

Maybe they dont need a complete ban, but rules need to be implemented and enforced. Move the damn butt can 100, 200 if it were me, it would be 500 feet away from the main entrance to any building. Give out fines for littering and throwing cigs out the window of your car. Do something!!And as far as the business owners...they've had their chances to make some very minor changes to help accomodate everyone, smokers and non smokers, but they refuse to do it. Now their being forced to...GOOD! I dont hate smokers, I just hate the way they act towards non smokers and how inconsiderate they can be...my brother included. It's people like the 3 I ran into in the last 2 days that give smokers a bad name, not the non smoker. As soon as I see someone blowing smoke in my face or throwing cigs on the ground or out the window, I immediately think to myself "what a dirt bag"

I guess I will never understand the whole smoking thing. To me its just a nasty habit that smokers are to weak to quit. It smells, its dirty, its not good for you or me and it interfeers with evreyday activities to the point that its anoying. Everytime a smoker is with me, before you get in the truck, they need to stand outside and "smoke one real quick" need to be somewhere on time..."oh crap, I need to stop and buy some cigs". The list goes on, but I'll stop here.

Before you tell me to go to a different DD, I cant. There's not not another one for about 10 miles out of my way. I happen to like the coffee and will continue to go there and just deal with the nasty smokers at the door.

My final thought....Im against smoking, for my own personal reasons. Read my posts here and you will know why. However, I dont go around and tell everyone that smokes that its nasty and they shouldnt do. If you want to smoke, go ahead, kill yourself, I dont care. My original post is all for the smoking ban...I have not changed my feelings towards that. At this point I think it's the only thing that can be done to help clean up this ashtray we call earth. I honestly hope the ban takes off and spreads country wide, and gets so bad it forces everyone to quit. How awesome would that be to see all my friends at home and here at F150 online, add many happy years to there life so they can enjoy their family and friends. Again, this hits me on a personal level. I only had about 2 of my adult years to hang out with my dad. Go to work, come home and have a beer with him and talk about how crappy or good my day was. My dad will never see my kids. My dad will not be at my wedding. THAT HURTS!!!!


BREW

 

Sorry to hear about your father BREW.

I think you and others that get so excited about these laws are missing the points of people such as myself and vader and a few others on here. I don't think any of us have or will argue that smoking is good for anyone. WE instead argue that government control on private sectors is bad. It makes people like you feel better for personal reasons. WE see it as there are tons and tons of more important things to fret over.

Not only that, there are several workplaces and restaurants that were geared towards smokers, bar and grille type of places, biker bars, etc. etc. Places that people like you would avoid anyway because you know they may be smokey. Now with these stupid laws passing, you won't go there anyway and people like you can rejoice in the government proposed limitations on sole propietors that busted their humps to start a "smokey bar" that they dreamed of. If you didn't got there anyway, how did it harm you? How does it really help the sole propietor? People have been smoking cigs for a long time and other things for hundreds of years. Some smoke because they like it, just as some like coffee and some don't. I have always liked smoking tobacco for the taste. I am a recreational smoker and enjoy a cup of coffee and a smoke. I don't push my personal tastes on anyone.

The sickest thing about laws like this, is, as I have said before, there were already plenty of places that did not allow smoking already. Most of them for the appropiate reasons. Those places had smokers outside the front door anyway and you will have to deal with that anyway.

I wish people that love these laws would quit hiding and just root for smoking being outlawed. That is what you really want, you to want it to not exist, period. I can understand that feeling and I would respect the spineless a lot more if they would go for that and not blow false "second hand smoke" dangers up my ****.

I just don't see how these laws help in the long run. They just open doors to eventually ban something you like that I happen to hate, then I can pick on you some more.

 

It seems like some of the problem with smoking is the costs it burdens the rest of us with.

Well we are all going to pay, whether smokijng is made illegal or not. The tax revenue will need to be made up for somewhere. The problem is that the system allows the govt. to regulate things out of our lives by taxation. Unfortunatly this is the means we as the people support the govt. we elect.

I don't drink and drive yet i pay higher insurance premiums because other people do, I don't live where there is a huricane or a tornado, or earthquake, every five minutes, but i pay higher premuims for my home insurance. Why should i help to absorb the cost of the people that have lost their homes due to one of these types of occurances, only to have these people rebuild bigger and better on the same dam site, only to wait for the next one to came along and start over. The situation in New Orleans is a great example, logic would tell me I don't want to build below sea level, beside a river or any other large body of water, yet this is exactly what they are going to do.

No matter what we do we will always offend someone, I mentioned this to a co-worker the other day, and he said just do nothing, I told him someone would complain about me doing nothing.

Everyday there are idiots out there that think that just because they don't like something it should be banned or changed. The whole 10 comandmants thing and in god we trust on our money are prime examples. Things have been this way for as long as we know it, but now all of a sudden it offends someone, and we need to change. Why?

 

I agree, well said.

Society in general has become touchy. It's bad to smoke but it's ok to raise a child in a homosexual relationship, and how dare the Pledge of Alegiance (sp?) have the word God in it. I guess louder voices are better heard.

 

Sounds like you and I are a lot more on the same page than I originally thought. My dad did get to see me get married after he was diagnosed but never got to see his granddaughter. So yes, I have some pretty strong personal feelings toward the disgusting habit myself. He is the reason I threw away a brand new can of snuff after a 17 year habit and haven't had a dip since... because in his last 6 months he asked me to quit.

Somebody else already said it on here.... if you ever see a loved one die from lung cancer.. it will change your attitude toward smoking forever. Watch a man in his mid 50's that was 6'2 and 235 pounds of nothing but muscle turn into a skeleton in a year and a half.. Seeing people post that there is no proof second hand smoke causes health problems just makes my blood boil. Tell that to my grandmother who has all sorts of respiratory problems after living her life with my grandfather who finally passed away from cancer as well... He wouldn't stop smoking even until the day he went into the hospital to never come back out.

All of this really has nothing to do with the original post... but I figured it might give you a little insight into why some of us have absolutely no problem with a ban.

 

seacrow...I totally agree with you here. Some things are getting out of hand.

But that still doesnt change my feelings towards smoking. Until you have a story to tell like quackrstackr and myself ( and im not saying you dont) you and I mean the public not you personally, but you will never know how we feel and how passionate we are in the fight against smoking. Is the ban right?? I dont know. I do know its not fair in more ways than one. Especially that they are allowing you to smoke on the Casino floors but nowhere else. I see something very wrong with that. I dont want a complete ban or outlaw of smoking. I would just like to see it "cleaned up" for a lack of better terms. I see that somehow someway, my brother enjoys it. I dont want to take that away from him or anyone else. Dont get me wrong I would love for him to quit and I razz him about it all the time. I guess when they proposed the ban, it made me happy as I feel this may help to encourage people to quit on their own.

Did any of that make any sence??


BREW

 

I respect everyone's opinion on here except these types. There are real economic, social, and personal benefits to smoking but I'm not gonna debate it because I might be an "idiot"

98Lariet4x4,

You aint' the only two that agree...believe me.

That is not the issue. It seems to slip past everyone that the issue is the gov't controlling what is a legal act in a privately owned establishment. If all the anti-smoking zealots had the b@lls to outlaw smoking then they should try. But it won't happen....why? Because of the economic and social impact of outlawing smoking. The ****** on the hill love taking the tax income from smokers and then have the audacity to turn around and chastise them for committing a legal act.

Look we all know it isnt healthy for us. However there are a great many things (obi-wanish) that aren't healthy for us but we still do them because they are legal and enjoyable. Do you want the gov't telling you what to eat for breakfast or how many colas to drink in a day?

They day is coming....

Protecting your fellow citizens rights, even if you don't agree with them, protects your own.

 

Up until the last word

 

Well I figured after your comment yesterday about al lthe spelling errors, I figured I could get away with that.

Damn you VADER!!!!!!!!!!!


BREW

 

Well I believe that it is ok for the pot to call the kettle black...

 

If I was a smoker and someone was complaining about my second hand smoke, that they are getting 50% of the smoke I smoke because of the second hand smoke, I'd have to say they owe me half a pack of smokes.

I look at it like this. It is every American's right to smoke. If you want to smoke, go for it. At the same time be considerate of those around you. For those non-smokers, be considerate of the rights of that fellow American and let him/her enjoy the smoke they are entitled to smoke. If the smoke is bothering you, simply remove yourself from the area. If that is an inconvenience to you, then deal with the smoke.

America has become sissified over the years and it almost sickens me.