I think he may be able to make a case for maybe going ahead of Leinert (I have a sneaking suspicion that some team will be disappointed with him, Carson Palmer he isn't) but not Bush. I usually don't get excited over hyped up number one picks but I think Regie Bush is special.

 

I think with few exceptions when you draft a QB you need to wait until the 3rd year or so of playing to get an idea. Year 1 the kids are just in a daze...Year 2 the game slows down but they still dont have the ability to read and understand the complex defenses. Year 3 it usually starts clicking. Drew Brees and Palmer are prime examples. I'm holding out hope for Boller here in Baltimore. He is basically starting his 3rd year next season.

Bush will go #1...Houston needs a game breaker like Bush and it will make Carr look a lot better with a potential stud like Bush.

 

What Houston REALLY needs are two or three beefy boys on the OL who can actually block someone! They should trade the #1 pick and stock-up on draft picks that can be used to lay the foundation for a decent team!

By taking Bush #1 all the Texan's will ensure is that Reggie Bush will have no holes to run through and that David Carr will spend another season on his back!

 

Vick is not a great QB?

While I'll co-sign with the notion that Michael Vick is not at a point where he will be remembered like:

Joe Montana
Dan Marino
Troy Aikman
Peyton Manning

I still think he's a great QB. He's got an arm, he accurate whether he's in the pocket or on the run, he has vision, he's the fastest player on the Falcon's team and one of the fastest in the NFL- yet, he still gets stuck with the same stigma that all black QB's get stuck with. "He's just a scrambler; he's not a real QB.."

What makes a real QB? Where is it written that a QB can't be mobile? I hate to bring race up, but that's the only time you hear that BS is when it's a black QB:

Steve McNair
Michael Vick
Aaron Brooks
Randall Cunningham
Donovan McNabb
Duante Culpepper

And to a lesser extent: Quincy Carter

Steve McNair's Titans' came within 27 inches of winning the Super Bowl a few years ago, and he still had to deal with commentators saying he was a "runner". Having Steve at QB is like having three running backs, etc... No credit for his ability to lead the team and make passes.

Same thing with McNabb...

Every team in teh league is scared of Vick because he's a double threat. But, you know what- there was another great QB that wasn't black that had the same gift, and he was never referred to as a runner. Yet, this guy ran a 4.4 40-yard dash, he was faster than their premier WR (Jerry Rice), he was known to take off and run when the play collapsed, and he sat in the shadow of other great QB's for years before he got his shot...

None other than, Steve Young.

Again, I'm not playing the race card out of spite. I just get tired of hearing Black QB's overall talent being reduced to them only being great because they're runners. I think they're great because they're great QB's. As long as the team wins, who cares what "kind" of QB is takign the snaps. Be they a "runner" or a "pocket passer".

 

that's because all the black quarterbacks have that third ligament that makes them faster..

 

It's because we have those big thighs that we inhereited from slavery.

Remember when Jimmy "The Greek" said something sililiar to that, and got canned (fired) by CBS immediately afterwards...

 

yeah the DA,,

anyway, IMO, I dont like scrambling quarterbacks, I like pocket passers. Let the star runner be a running back. I know there are some great QB's who run, VY is one of them (hook em). Personally, I think this year for vince was a little more structured for passing, last season he was a primary runner, pass second. He had a great passer rating, I think tops in the nation. But, since he is "black" his running was the only thing they (media) wanted to discuss. Dont get me wrong, Vince is a dangerous runner, but he threw for 267, 30 out of 40, those are good numbers for a passing QB. I hope Vince makes a good name for himself in the NFL, and wished the cowboys, could have a losing season next year and get VY if he stays.

 

Every year the Bucs and sometimes others provide the league with a blueprint to beat the Falcons, they focus on making Vick beat them with his arm, he seldom does. Teams are scared of his legs not his arm. As good as Vick is he could be better teams need to be scared of his legs and his arm. It's not that he shouldn't run as much (but then again all that running does take it's toll, he does rack up a decent amount of injuries and it won't help his longevity, see Mark Brunell), it is that he runs for 10 when he might be able to pass for 40. He has had trouble reading defenses since day one, he had trouble reading defenses in college too, and it’s not any easier in the pros. I got to watch the same thing in Buffalo this year with J.P. Losman, he's a lot like Vick and I think his first instinct is to run combined with the fact that he's not very good at looking at all his receivers and he's not a good QB (Note: Vick is much better than Losman as a scrambler as well as in the pocket). IMHO a QB who's first instinct is to run isn't a good thing. McNabb figured it out, he was taking a heck of a beating scrambling all the time and he discovered that he was much more effective in the pocket and defenses still had to respect his mobility. Then again McNabb has always had a better head for the game than Vick; he also had more college experience. McNair is another great example, he can run (maybe he's lost a step) but he'll pick you apart through the air as well, he combines the best of both worlds. Michael Vick will never become a better runner (since the physical body doesn't exactly age like a fine wine) but he can become a better passer and I'm waiting to see it, b/c as he ages he's going to have to be and now is the time to develop, before the injuries slow him down. I think that more and more you will see black QBs proving that they can be great pocket passers as well (and proving how ridiculous the "slash" stereotype was), see Byron Leftwich. Anyway, that's all on my QB ranting, it's not a race thing by any means, I don't care if a QB were freakin green if he could help out my team I’d say heck yeah! It's too bad the Bills beat Cicny and dropped their draft spot to 8th, before last night I though maybe Vince Young (by the way he seems to have Vick like ability with his legs and a better head for the game) might still be available then; I guess we're stuck with Losman and they do need linemen on both sides of the ball so it was a fantasy but I’d take him in a heartbeat to play for my team. JMHO

 

The only thing that really hampers Vick's ability to be a bigger down the field threat, is his height. He'll never have the view of their field that Peyton Mannig does- unless he gets from behing those 6'4" - 6'6" Offensive linemen blockign his view...

Because Young has Vick's speed, a good arm, and he has a few inches on Vick- I think, (If he doesn't flop in the NFL) that he has the potential to be better than Vick, and a scarier QB for the Pro's...

But, if Vice goes to a team with a suck-@$$ offensive line, and average receivers; he will not shine nearly as brightly- because the speed of the game in the NFL will not allow a target his size, free reign over the football field.... Vick has the advantage there, becase he's harder to see, quicker and more elusive (In my opinion). I haven't seen a player make would-be tacklers look so stupid, since Eric Metcalf was playing (late 1980's)

 

Yeah, you have a point about Young and going to a team with a crap o-line, I sometimes wonder how many young talented QBs have been ruined by getting stuck behind a bad o-line right out of college and never being able to get settled. I think David Carr might be the latest example. I think that is one of the reasons that Rothlisberger succeeded right off the bat, he had the o-line, not to mention the run game and supporting defense to lean on while he made the transition.

 

Vick is a weapon no doubt but he isnt in the league with the QBs you mentioned. Vick's biggest weapon is his ability to scramble, contain that and Vick goes from Superman to Clark Kent. He's an average pocket passer and hasnt shown the ability to stay in the pocket and pick apart a defense. Vick has made his name by saving broken plays through scrambling.

He is a game breaker, a great leader, and one of the NFLs best players but if you want pure passing and offensive command he isnt in the league of the 4 you mentioned....at least not yet.

 

not a QB, but another great that was ruined by crap "Barry Sanders"

 

Don't forget about John Elway. How many times did he scramble for his life and throw the ball to the wide open receiver? Vince Young reminds me of Elway, especially last night in the rose bowl. The two look to me very similar in style, maybe not ball delivery, but the way they get the job done with their feet as well. JMHO.

 

Yeah imagine what he could have done if he had some decent blocking...

 

Probably would have been the first back to rush for 3,000 yards in an NFL season.