"without reading the above posts"

It's not about Dem-o-rats vs Republicans.
It's more about Conservative vs. liberal

A protection from the deterioration of the Moral fiber of the USA>


I'll say it:
Clinton was a good president and had the Tech Bubble to ride.
But as a role model and father and husband, he was pathetic! CHldren used to look up and want to be like the president, CLinton ended that.

 

I liked Clinton- a lot.., Aside from Kennedy & Reagan I think he was the best President the country had in the 20th century... Even with the scandals...

If there were no term limits; he'd probably still be in office because no way would Bush ever defeat Clinton, not in a televised debate or in general public opinion.

What lets you know Clinton was a good President who the people put their trust in; why is it that when disasters struck teh United States in 2001 (9/11) and in 2005 (Katrina)~ almost as quickly as the President was engaged for his opinion, they had Clinton on TV trying to get his reaction; his feelings on how the situation(s) were being handled...

I never saw them second-guess Carter with Ford, never saw them second-guess REagan with Carter; never saw them second guess Bush with Reagan; and never saw them second guess Clinton with Bush...

Yet; everytime something happens now; they have to get Clinton's reaction... It's because he was a cool character- calm under fire, eloquent and intelligent- everything a President needs to be...

The fact that he "cigared" Monica while she smoked the bologna-pony, balanced the budget, created a surplus, and underwent impeachment trials, while trying to maintain an appearance of family; being a husband and a father during some very private times displayed in a public way- tells me this was a man that could effectively multi-task!!

If you can do all of that and not lose your mind... That's a man you want in charge of the country!!

 

Liberal isn't a bad thing. I'll indulge a few others here and go with that a may be very Republican on some issues others I find myself completely alone while people take sides on the battlefield while I'm trying to compromise with both sides. Liberal is a term I save for the full on whack-o-loons that litter the airwaves.
Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh...wacked out Conservatives that make me look bad

Michael Moore and Al Franken...wacked out Liberals that make everyone look bad

I guess I'm only more towards the Republican side of the fence because while I would like my niece to have a free school lunch, I would rather work harder to pay out of pocket to make sure my taxes go to keeping her safer within our borders. Maybe it's time to have a complete discussion on this, and all of us from all political affiliations put aside our differences.
It's time to put America First!

 

Liberal wackjob blows up an animal research facility
Conservative wackjob blows up an abortion clinic

They both end up in the same place, I've said it before and I'll say it again now, the political spectrum (conservative, right, etc to left, liberal, etc) is really more of a loop (picture a horseshoe). If you are a normal, reasonable, decent person you probably sit pretty much some where along the curve of the horseshoe, nut jobs (see above) are at either end. After all is said and done, it's the folks in the middle (most of America) that need to realize that the ones you can't trust are the ones at the end. Even if someone is more to the left/ right of you in the middle curve, they are a lot closer to you than the nut cases at the ends. Rage against the machine, both sides of it. It's time this country took control back from the extremes, both major parties cater so far to either side it's tragic, that's why you end up with a choice between "Turd" and "Douche" every four years. JMHO, Rant off.

OK, sorry one more example: Hitler and Stalin, different ends of the spectrum, same result, oppression and genocide.

 

You keep seeing Klintoon on TV because the sorry SOB just won't go away. He's a POS, and worthless and that's being nice. He's a traitor to boot. The biggest reason you see him is because the liberal media loves him and they go together like peanut butter and jelly on a sammich.

 

You give Clinton a lot of credit. Congress passed the budgets and controls the spending. Both Clinton and congress were simply on a roller coaster ride that they had no control over. Perot even said during the 92 election that whoever was president would preside over unprecedented economic growth over the next 10 years. But I digress...

I understand these types of statements and would have made them 5 years ago. But I think they are basically wrong or at least a statement of the surface issues only.

Liberals value their families and share many of the same traditional values. There are conservatives who couldn't care less about family values providing their business is allowed to prosper uninfringed by the government.

Understanding the terminology has changed over the years I think it breaks down as follows:

Conservatives - Prefer limited federal government that defer to the states' rights in most issues. Strict interpretation of the Constitution, dont treat it like a "Living document". Deference is to be given to the individual over the collective whole whenever possible. I think from here you can spawn most traditional conservative stances such as low taxes, gun-rights, etc.

Liberals - Prefer a more involved federal government that can exercise control over the states when it is deemed necessary for the common good. The Constitution is a living document that needs to be interpreted based on the times we are living in. Individuals and minority (sex, gender, race, etc) groups can depend upon the government should they need assistance even if they need to expand the role of the gov't to provide that assistance. Programs and departments such as Welfare , social security, and the department of education, are of prime importance.

I don't believe liberals are bad. I think they are misguided. There are nuts on both sides that push for crazy rights, etc and they should be ignored. I personally believe that dependence upon most gov't agencies is a recipe for disaster. I have faith that given the ability and economic freedom to do so, individuals and private organizations can provide better for the needy than any gov't program. This country was made great not by welfare,social security, the dept of education, or homeland security but by individuals who wanted and dreamed for something, had the drive and ability to achieve those dreams and most importantly the freedom to attain them.

Wow this got long...sorry.

Jim.

 

Thanks Hersh. That's my new verb of the day

I'd like to "Cigar" her. Yep, works just fine

 

Hersh, as was stated above, you give Clinton way too much credit. He inherited a lot of "good" things set in motion by George Bush. Plus, as was stated above, a president is only as good as his Congress. My problem with Clinton is that he is to easy to read as a liar. You can see it in his face and in his eyes, and just about every time he opens his mouth. I have zero respect for him as a person and as a President. When I am lied to, I had much rather be fooled. I can at least believe it for a while. I consider myself a conservative, and I vote for the man, not the party. I too wish John Wayne were still alive! By the way, I have several of his movies. He was one guy that when he said "not hardley", he was not acting. It was just him.

 

Hey; I'm not trying to sway you guys into liking CLinton- I just said I liked him. The man was without a doubt- the most down-to-earth President we've ever had.

He lied to us? I understand why...

I've never cheated on my wife; but I have had three solid offers. The fatter I get- the less I have to worry about it; but I have had chances to get in some extra "draws" but I didn't do it- because I have a conscious- and my conscious would kick my butt far worse than my wife ever would....

But, if I were caught in a moment of weakness- and tapped a little something on the side- never thinking my wife would find out; then have rumors circle- and finally have it on TV- I'd lie my @$$ off too. It's not so much about saving a job, as it is saving a family. So- I don't feel betrayed that he lied about laying some pipe on Monica. I feel bad actually, because I don't think the US Government had a need to know what he was doing sexually, nor was there a need for a year-long trial about it...

Yes; he brought it on himself- but most men would find it difficult to say no with some (you know what) staring you in the face. The fact that he lied under oath doesn't offend me either because again- I don't think he should have been questioned about it in the first place. It was a piece of @$$ man; he wasn't shipping weapons to Iran...

Plus, the whole thing, in my opinion, stunk of a set-up. I mean, who among us kept the panties from our first conquest? Anyone keeping any used condoms in the freezer to remind us of a good time we had back in '98. Think any girls kept their similiarly stained prom dresses dirty?

In a place full of abject-backstabbers and where whispers can topple a Presidency- who would talk on the phone about an extramarital affair with the most powerful man on the planet? How many 20-somethings are "tight" with 40-something women? Who saves a kum-stained dress for months? (Unless it was to be used for blackmail or for what happened)

You'd wash something you wore to work yesterday- even if you didn't get a stain on it. If you didn't wash it the same day; certainly within the same week. Who would leave a jizz-soaked dress in the closet indefinitely? Why? For what purpose? If you forgot it- how'd you remember it later? How'd you remember it was "stained"?

Maybe it wasn't a set-up; but what I loved is that through all of that- he stood in teh fire; he took their best shots, and came out on top...

I can't stand a joker that bails out as soon as it starts heating up. Take those licks like a man (No pun intended). He took Kenn Starr's best shots, Linda Tripp's tapes (That aired on TV if not in the trial), and countless jabs from the media- and retained his Presidency even through impeachment... I gotta respect him for that.

 

The Clinton Monica thing for me wasn’t so much about the lying as it was about the mistrust, abuse and taking advantage of a situation or person.

Clinton took advantage of a situation that should have never happen for someone sitting in the office of President or any position that contains a large amount of trust.

I can understand the man lying about it because that is human to a point. What I will never understand nor forgive is the man took advantage and then could never be trusted again.

Clinton, in my opinion, will never be remembered as a great President like Reagan, Kennedy and a few others before them. The main reason will not be because he lied but because he broke trust with those he freely agreed to serve as their representative, their leader, he gave the family, America, a real bad name…

 

...because as a whole, Liberals hate america; they hate freedom of thought, opinion; Liberals love racism and would love nothing more than the US change into a socialist form of government.



:-/

 

Who did Clinton take advantage of? Not Monica. It was proven there was no harrassment. I do find it odd that you dislike Clinton for this, but consider the man that ILLEGALLY armed a terrorist nation by allowing narcotics to flow onto the streets of America and then denied everything, a great president.

 

Who, Reagan?!

Yeah, I liked ol' Ron; but he did "F" up too... Then they tried to scapegoat Ollie North- Puh-lease...

Anybody's that's been in teh military KNOWS a Colonel is not settign any policies in place that would ever come to the light of day on a national & international level...

Colonels are mere "coffee-getters" in the Pentagon... Colonels are "coffee-getters" at IIICorps HQ @ Fort Hood....

 

I give Colonel North a lot of credit for taking the fall for the team.

 

No....but he sold them to almost every other country on the planet.....including China....