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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by CrAz3D
Would excesive amounts of gasoline REALLY make the pile of wood EXPLODE like that?
Yes it will!
Actually not even an exessive amount... 1/2 a gallon on a day with no wind will too.

Also do not make a trail with the gas to light!!!

I'm a pyro and to stupid to learn from the first 10-20 times...

I was burning some brush 3-4 years ago "as I do couple time a month" and though I ussally use Deisel or Kerosene, I didn't have very much of either. I put what I had on and decided to add some old bad gas I had in a jug just to get rid of it. It might have been 1/2 a gallon maybe. I poured some on a stick to use as a match then the rest on the brush pile. I stepped back about 20 yards or so and started trying to light the fuel on the stick... It was so old it didn't want to light. Added some oil and got it lit. "Had been about 3-4 mins from when I added the fuel and the air was still out" once it was lit I tossed it into the brush pile and it exploded!!! Flames 40' + in the air!!! Neighbor came out of his house to see what had happened.. We were atleast 500 yards from his house and he said it shook the pictures on his walls...

Once he seen what it was then he just laughed and came down to enjoy the fire with us. He was a worse pyro than me.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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hahah, saw that comming. I was thinking hmmmm, if thats gas that thing is gonna go boom.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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My fiance and I both thought it was funny.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by CrAz3D
Would excesive amounts of gasoline REALLY make the pile of wood EXPLODE like that?
yes gas soakes into the core of the wood then the outside of the wood dries and seals.... then once ignited u get the big boom.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Faster150
yes gas soakes into the core of the wood then the outside of the wood dries and seals.... then once ignited u get the big boom.
That is not true. Liquid gasoline is flamable but WILL NOT explode. Poor gas in a foam cup and light the top, you will have a pretty lantern until the gas is gone. (don't knock it over of course). But put a few drops in a can and close the lid. Wait a few minutes and throw the can on the fire... BOOOM!!

Gas fumes are explosive, the gas went down under the wood, and the pile trapped the fumes. Introduce fire and ka-BOOM...... CYA! If you can smell fumes.... run... and do not make a spark!
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Big SCrew
That is not true. Liquid gasoline is flamable but WILL NOT explode. Poor gas in a foam cup and light the top, you will have a pretty lantern until the gas is gone. (don't knock it over of course). But put a few drops in a can and close the lid. Wait a few minutes and throw the can on the fire... BOOOM!!

Gas fumes are explosive, the gas went down under the wood, and the pile trapped the fumes. Introduce fire and ka-BOOM...... CYA! If you can smell fumes.... run... and do not make a spark!

Yep. Thats what I said awhile ago...but of course no one listened.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Big SCrew
That is not true. Liquid gasoline is flamable but WILL NOT explode.
well damn how do gasoline engines work if they dont inject liquid gas and cause a controlled explosion
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 05:22 PM
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well damn how do gasoline engines work if they dont inject liquid gas and cause a controlled explosion
You obviously do not know about internal combustion engines. What else is forcefully pulled into the chamber? Air. Air mixes with JETTED fuel and vaporized the gasoline. The piston then compresses it to promote an explosion. Turn off your carb jets or fuel injectors and poor some gasoline in your engine.. it FLOODS, because gasoline does not explode as a liquid, it must be vaporized by the JETS and air.

Don't get so upset, you made something up... and I corrected you
 

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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Big SCrew
You obviously do not know about internal combustion engines. What else is forcefully pulled into the chamber? Air. Air mixes with JETTED fuel and vaporized the gasoline. The piston then compresses it to promote an explosion. Turn off your carb jets or fuel injectors and poor some gasoline in your engine.. it FLOODS, becasue gasoling does not explode as a liquid, it must be a vopr or vaporized by the JETS and a fuel/air mixture.

YUUUUUP
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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So here's what you're telling me.

1/2 Gallon of fuel in a paint can on my porch, Ok.
Covering it with the mop bucket like I did, Bad?

Damn, I better get home and let the fumes out.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by Big SCrew
You obviously do not know about internal combustion engines. What else is forcefully pulled into the chamber? Air. Air mixes with JETTED fuel and vaporized the gasoline. The piston then compresses it to promote an explosion. Turn off your carb jets or fuel injectors and poor some gasoline in your engine.. it FLOODS, because gasoline does not explode as a liquid, it must be vaporized by the JETS and air.

Don't get so upset, you made something up... and I corrected you
i know u can flood an engine but what i meant is the air and fuel is mixed and creates the vapor which is still a liquid but its not fumes like u cre describing only the fume explode and not the vapor... for dont u know in physics. a gas is molecules that have seperated from breaking appart while yes they do burn quicker from them already being past boiling point. liquid will explode more then vapor will cause there is a more dense object wrater then one that is uncompressed. which is why there is a compression stroke to compress the liquid fuel and air mixture.... because the more fuel PSI there is the greater the explosion will be. if the mixture is propper
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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If you knew how much money I have made off of arguments on this it would make you sick.

To prove my point I bet people that I can put a cigarette out in a pan of gasoline with out igniting it. As long as you don't hit the side of the pan it will go out when it hits the surface of the liquid fuel.

That's not to say that liguid Gasoline is not flameable. But in a liquid state the Temperature for combustion is VERY VERY high. Water will even burn if exposed to enough heat.

If they could get liguid gas to burn in an internal combustion engine it wouldn't be very long until we could have hydro powered combustion engines.
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by UrbanCowboy
So here's what you're telling me.

1/2 Gallon of fuel in a paint can on my porch, Ok.
Covering it with the mop bucket like I did, Bad?

Damn, I better get home and let the fumes out.
Stick some cannon fuse or an oil soaked rag out from the bottom of the bucket and light it.


It's a real bang!
 
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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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As was stated you can not set fire to gasoline in a liquid form. It has to be in a vapor form. In other words it has to have a LOT of air, or more specifically, oxygen to turn the liquid gasoline into a vapor.

There is NO liquid gasoline inside the combustion chamber, if there were it would destroy your cylinders because it would take the oil coating off the sides of the cylinder walls. That is why running a vehicle to rich is bad for the motor.

The gasoline vapor and oxygen mix is ignited by a spark plug as combustion alone is not enough to ignite the air/fuel mixture. Only two things in a combustion motor will ignite the air/fuel vapor, either the spark plug for nice controlled explosion or if your running lean (more air then fuel vapor) hot spots inside the combustion chamber. This kind of explosion is known as pre-mature ignition or otherwise known as engine knock.

Had it been a misty day out there most likely would not have been much of an explosion or at least it would have not been as bad because the water molecules would have mixed with the gasoline vapor and thus there would have been a lot less vapor and more liquid which can NOT be ignited…
 
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