Coal... that's so last season, all I have to do is wind up the big rubber band that powers my F-150, it's good for almost 20 miles.

 

what exactly do you manage j-f150, a circus lol. If u havn't noticed on forums grammar isn't necessary to get a point acros. . I always thought lowly of managers because all of my friends who were bad at math and science are becoming engineering managers(also called industrial engineering here at msu). Thats funny. The people who have the brains are bossed around by the retards, but I guess thats how the world works. There is a lot more to know about an engine than just how to redo what some previous engineers did. Improving a design is where the talent lies. But I suppose seeing how you are a "Manager" you really don't know how anything really works, but you sure must be good at raising productivity with negative reinforcement and firing people. I pitty the engineers under you. By the way, who do you work for that way I can stay away. I'm really not worried about not finding a job, Bozeman's placement rate is extremely high with boeing and 3m. Funny thing ford recruits heavily from msu and msu Northern. I'm carrying my 3.8 gpa fairly well and am already a asme member and part of the Formula v1 racecar project that is to be raced in detroit. I am currently working at a welding and machine shop making very nice money for a part time college kid.

So straighten this out if managers don't know "stuff" isn't that like having the blind lead the semi sight impaired lol.

 

sure. I manage a circus. hyuk hyuk.


funny how someone that professes to be so capable and intelligent opens this thread with the sheer stupidity that you did.


And yes... blind leading the blind. Managers don't know a rat's a$$ from a hole in the ground. Doesn't matter. We still control you, your co-workers and the purse-strings. We make more money that you and have less headaches.

Get used to it. Life ain't fair and people like me make sure that it isn't fair for people like you.

 

MmmmmmMMMMmmm. Where'd that Master Lock go?

 

Ahhhh... nothing smells like intellectual arrogance like bad spelling and grammar...



I think it's foolish (then again consider the source ) to marginalize the intelligence and capability of managers. I see scientists with advanced degrees manage their employees in a manner that would make anyone with real managerial training wince, laugh or cry. It hurts productivity and causes loads of inter-personal problems, all b/c some arrogant advanced degree holding math/science guy lacks the ability (read: people skills and stomach) to do what needs to be done for optimal workplace efficiency and to deal with problems before they get out of hand.


trollkauf certainly is full of himself.

 

I find it funny how through out life the ones that I look up to or go to with the problems that I can't figure out. They always start the answer with...
Turns out 9 times out of 10 they solved the problem.
Then thier are the ones that barf out some information (often interupting the person I'm asking) with thier 2 cents and those are the guys that are ussally wrong.

Why is it the people that "claim" that they dont know anything, are the ones that always have the right answers to my questions. Is it because they realize that they don't know it all and are still willing to learn from each experince? Or is it because even though they have had the same experince before, they realize that each time could be different. They try the same previous fixes that worked for them before but know that there is a chance that it might not work on the next one.

hmmmmm, just an obsevation...

PS FYI most managers/employers know that Diplomas/Degrees dont mean Jack Shi*. Most of the smartest people I have ever met barley get/got through highschool while others that might be "educated" often don't have enough common since to buy a can of Pepsi. I'll take a logical person that offers tangiable results over an educated person that tells me what they can or could do anyday.

 

Well said PSS-

Indeed, if you polled 100 workers, 50% would hate their boss, 30% would think he or she is OK, and 20% would love working for them. The first thing a manager must realize is that you can't please all the people all the time, and secondly- there's always going to be someone that works for you that will always try to out-smart you, out-talk you, or put you on the spot- just to show their intelligence. These are the same people that "know how to fix" everything, but never fix anything because they are scared to come present their ideas professionally, or will not push themselves to be placed in a position of authority so they can at least try to implement their ideas.

In my job, I came through the ranks into my slot, so I knew the ropes somewhat- but when I got there, I had 6 groups under me, but I was only adept in two. It's been a piece of cake- why? Because I know how to motivate people- plus, I'm big & strong and they do what I say :^)!

Everybody has a role- an none is any more important than the other. Managers need employees to do the work, and employees need managers to maintain focus and direction. Self-directed work teams don't work, contrary to what they say in college. It may work in the high-paying executive levels, but down where the rubber meets the road, it'll never fly...

I went after my deree, not because I thought it made a difference in performance- I went for it because employers use it as a measuring tool, and I didn't want the lack of a degree to systematically eliminate me from a job opportunity.

I have always known that knowledge & experience are far superior to a degree (that was probably earned by some kid that slept-walked their way through 7 years of college, through a blur of pizza grease and cramming for tests- who probably wouldn't know Sigmund Freud from Counsellor Troi 10 minutes after the test was taken.) But, many times- some people feel that degree carries weight. To me, all it says is that person set out to get their degree, and they got it. They can make a plan, and stick to it. It says nothing of true intelligence; even if they're a 4.0 student.

I've got my degree now, and at my wife's urging, I joined Phi Theta Kappa, Phi Beta Kappa (Academic Honor Society's) just to have something else to put on my resume'; But, honestly- the degree didn't teach me anything I didn't know before I started college, other than how to use Microsoft Excel and Access.

Degress are cool, but experience is the best teacher...

Hey, and any typo's you may find are just that- I do know how to spell; I just can't type. (Although I may have genuinely spelled Sigmund Freud's name incorrectly)...

 

I love it... We have an 18 year old with poor verbal skills and 1.5 semesters of college under his belt who thinks that he is Albert "*********G" Einstein. Let me share a little secret with ya'll. At this point in engineering school you have not even really seen an Engineering course. That's right folks, at best, this clown has had maybe an intro to engineering of CAD/Drafting class. I can't even start to count how many people that started to get an Engineering degree and dropped out/changed majors, and they all were way past this fool.

Note to a$$clown aka treukauf:

DON'T CHEAPEN MY DEGREE MY CLAIMING THAT YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT MAGIC PIECE OF PAPER ON THE WALL YOU ARE NOT WORTHY TO LAY CLAIM TO ANY PART OF AN ENGINEERING TITLE!

Joe

 

Well, I've never been one to try to impress people. Just pass on my opinion. And on this one, my opinion is: ignorance is bliss. You see, your young and going to school to fill your head. You are becoming educated about your major but that doesn't mean that you know it "all". On thing that you clearly are unaware of is that as we get older most of us realize it's not a pissing contest out here. We settle into careers and know our career very well. Hopefully that's what you end up doing. You can't know everything about my career, or about the millions of other peoples careers. See, most of us will specialize in one field. If we are discussing our profession with a layman, then chances are we will know more about our profession than they do. If a layman is discussing my profession, then it's likely I will be more knowlegeable than them. So, trying to prove that someone doesn't know something just shows that your looking to enter in a pissing contest.

Do you bring up side loading because your a Chevy owner? Side load occurs when a load is placed on the piston rod without guidance or support, or when the mounting and piston rod connection are misaligned. Side load creates excessive wear on the piston, piston rod, rod bearing and seals. It's amazing what you can find with a simple Google search, isn't it.

It's been my experiance that engineers are good at seeing how things will work, in theory. Some people might hold engineers in a high regard, but when you are the one who has to put an engineers "theory" to work, you might not hold them in quite as high a regard. Things can work quite differently in the field than they do in the office. Knowing that, I think, is what makes a "good" engineer.

For thoes of us who are not automotive engineers, this site has some cool, simple stuff about how the internal combustion engine works. You might not learn about valve overlap and heat soak but you don't have to be an engineer to understand how your engine works: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm

 

Interseting read about one of our greatest minds and his educational experience...

Albert Einstein Education

 

I agree i haven't learned anything really in college yet. I've taken pro-e 3d drafting, and just about finished calc 3 and physics 211. I'm not even close too knowing everything about motors. I started this thread only to see if there was anyone who strived to make what they owned better or if they were happy( sure 50 of you will say your pickups are perfect, but everthing can be improved upon.). I figure the only way to find good info on other vehicles is go to their forums. I was hoping to get less logic and morals, and more hard facts about ford. (usually forums is where the guru's congregate.) Every night I read more books on auto's and engines. I read over a thousand pages before I started building up motors. I am far from einstein. But didn't he say something about genius be 90 % perspiration? Maybe if we all just try to learn.

J-150 what company do you work for.

I'm guessing no one here ever used messenger, as the trend of to day is short and to the point, hence the abbreviated words on forums. Do u c.

good job on side loading. It has a lot to do with the length of the rod, and the stroke. A shorter rod pushes the piston harder into the side of the cylinder.

 

Industrial Engineer:

Is a person that takes what an Engineer was originally trying to accomplish and actually accomplishes it. He/she then gives the Engineer and ECR (engineering change request) to make the appropriate changes to the originally flawed design in order to actually make it possible to manufacture.

Any engineer worth their weight KNOWS they will never design anything behind a desk that actually meets its objectives based solely on theory and formulas. They know reality is absolute and reality, more often then not, trumps theory and formulas.

Theory and formulas are nothing more then a starting point and foundation. Very few engineers every complete a design on anything that actually functions correctly and meets its objectives without assistance from others such as Industrial Engineers…


It’s ok, you’ll learn that, not in school, but in reality. You will learn once you are finished with school your books are nice to have, they have great information but nothing more then a simple foundation to begin your career. If you fail in reality to understand how others, such as Industrial Engineers help you as a team member to succeed you will soon learn how to fill out new employment applications…

You will be a foundation, you will never be the complete building and until you learn that you will forever be lost, you will continually fail in life and you will never get as far as you possibly can…

By the way, guess who basically has big time pull in a company? Industrial Engineers because they are the ones the big boys come to in order to find out if something an Engineer developed is actually doable…

I have helped to get rid of a few engineers that were continually costing the company money due to their ignorance and crappy designs basically done in order to get a patent which was nothing more then a patent to show how uneducated they were when it came to good solid designs…

I have also designed and built over 15 automated electrical test stations, completely developed the software to operate them (National Instruments LabVIEW) as well as designed the circuit boards that were the interfaces…

Not bad for lowly managers huh? Most the electrical and mechanical engineers wouldn’t have a clue on how to completely, from the ground up, design an automated test station…

 

Sure we tweak modify and improve on them to suit our own needs. But there is very little difference in the logic used on Fords, as there is Chevs, Dodge, Toyotas or anything else. There is some ever so slight differences in parameters, tolerances; etc but are the exact same principals. The main difference between Ford and Chev engines are the stroke lengths. Comparable blocks Chevs are shorter than Ford. So Chev guys concentrate on adding torque (often confused for HP) Ford has longer stroke so torque isn't a problem we often look for HP... How ever in the end ultimately we are all (IE. Ford, Chev, Dodge guys) are trying to gain as much of each as we can. Using very similar technology and tricks to achieve it.

Look around in the other sections of the board to find out what settings, parameters, mods, or what configuration of bolt-ons are working well for us. The search feature on this board is a very handy tool. One thing to learn as a potential engineer or professional of any kind whether R & D, Marketing, etc. is to be resourceful and use all of the tools and resources available to you before you try and reinvent the wheel.

BTW Nice save... Looks like you might have been paying attention in your communication classes.

 

does that really matter?

whom I work for or what indstry I work in is irrelevant.

I've seen arrogant punks like you come and go. Guess what? Hundreds of universities pumping out Eng grads every year. Most of you are interchangable. The only time managers put up with engineers with your outlook is if you are truly brilliant.

But you are not that. You posts reveal that you will at best be a run-of-the-mill guy working in a machine shop somewhere.

Truly exceptional engineers are quite obvious from a young age as being exceptional.

Cripes, you come here spouting off about 350s in 82 model pickups... on a board for late model Fords. Brilliant engineers don't do such silly things.

Face it... you are not as good as you think you are. Let's go back to what Wookie said... we'll talk about your GPA after you (assuming you do) finish.


And to XLT's point, I too would trade 10 engineers for 1 solid tech that can execute the project.