Damn it, posted in error

 

01, sometimes I read your posts and think; 'this guy/gal is sharp' then I read posts like the above and have to wonder if you have been brainwashed.... This is not an attack on you; but its funny how we are always at odds… I wonder if its genuine or if you are simply playing the devil’s advocate…

What I said has little to do with the men, "Clinton or Bush" as it does to illustrate the point that the guy (Bill) at least took notice and action~ even if you feel it was meaningless.

I liked your gas station analogy, but it is short-sighted. If I buy more gas from my gas station than everyone else they sell to, combined; and I threatened to stopped buying- I think they would take notice and do what is required to keep my business because they know that I have other sources (Russia, Venezuela, my own oil fields, etc..) and I can always go to them, or simply by less from you- if you won't lower your prices...

You know; like Wal-Mart does their suppliers; brilliant if not popular...

Succumbing to OPEC in the 70's was our worse mistake; and the first major exploitation of the US oil-worker in terms of importing rather than made in the USA. Now everybody is outsourcing....

 

Quite to the contrary...I love the enviroment...It supplies me with everything I need/want...LOL

Save the trees...Whales....Seals...Dolphins....Rain Forest....Catrepillars...Snakes....Rats....or what ever! What ever...

Thats Bull Crap The book of Genisis and the Indians as well as most other religions says they were all put here for us to use....We have just over populated the earths capacity with our own species. Any ideas how to balance this? I suggest we start with our own prison population! Then decide from there!

 

No, I don't support occupation; but, because of our interest in the middle east- we are in fact protecting them- even if it's from themselves.. (Remember Desert Storm?)
Do you think we went in to save the Kuwaitti's or to keep Saddam from controlling too much of OPEC's oil?

It "feels good" to believe the former, but my gut tells me it was for the latter.

So, since we are providing a safety net to them; I think we deserve better prices.. Regulation wouldn't hurt us... Read this. We are getting stroked by opec a little bit, and by corporate greed, shareholders and government double-speak a whole lot more- not even with a reach-around...
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...pec_oil_prices

 

First, its guy…

Second, I don’t take it as an attack, simply a disagreement knowing I am right…

See, that is my point, it don’t matter what I or you “feel” it only matters what the action is. Now, I am not calling you a liberal, but the liberals out there truly believe it is what is said or done that means something, not what an action actually did. Clinton’s action did nothing, in the end. It did for a very short time but cost us all more money, so in retrospect Clintons action was a very poor action and the net sum was worse then if he had done nothing.

Not short sighted at all. Looking at the big picture I used the local gas station as if there was only one or two in the neighborhood. It is still the same, gas is gas and it only comes from a very few places. Usually most the gas stations in a neighborhood would have one or two suppliers, supplying many little stations.

If you stop buying at one then what is the worse that could happen? They shut down and close. That is bad, because now, if you had two stations, there is only one and they can charge what ever price they wish since you have no where to go.

I realize we have other sources to buy oil from but the fact of the matter is they either can not supply us additional oil and/or the cost is more or about even with OPEC. Same with the two gas stations in one neighborhood. One might be a little less then the other but in the long run they only have so much fuel they can supply you with to meet your needs for a particular price.

OPEC, Russia, Venezuela, ect are really nothing more then a few gas stations in the neighborhood and in the end they are all going to make about the same amount of money for the goods they sell you.

Opening up our national oil reserves does nothing to help us long term but will hurts us short term more then doing nothing at all…

 

maybe this will force the automakers to come up with more efficient ways. as with many set-backs or cross roads of life, it is hard at the time but years latter you realize it was time for a change and the change was for the best.

for this numbers to mean something, you should have the percentage that gas has risen in the past 20 years, not just the last 2. this is the same sales pitch that a mutual fund adviser would use. comparing 20 years to 2 years is not a good comparision.

btw, my 90 chev 350 with a motor designed in 1955 got better gas mpg than my 01, 5.4, with all the new tech. what need to happen is a weight limit on 1/2 ton trucks and suv's. detroit is building them bigger and bigger and that is probably the #1 reason for the poor mpg. iwoulf have no problem driving a little bit smaller truck if everyone else did, but as long as i am running arounbd with all the big dogs, i have no choice but to drive a big dog.

 

Ok, I didn’t think you supported occupation. I absolutely agree with you on the fundamental, or one of the fundamental reasons we are in the Middle East. Oil and stability.

I also agree our main reason for Desert Storm was to keep Saddam from controlling too much of OPEC’s oil. Again, that goes back to stability.

I do believe this time around it’s much more then just oil BUT that oil is a big reason. First, as I have posted many times, is that with stability you have a “much less likely” chance or breeding terrorist or terrorism.

However, oil is high on that list as it should be. We cannot let a few dictators control the worlds oil supply because the fact of the matter is at this time oil is what makes the world go around. I have no shame in admitting that because it is the truth. If tomorrow we were to receive no more oil from anywhere America would go into a HUGE depression, not recession but depression soon followed by unrest and rioting and in the end most likely the complete collapse of our great country.

That may seem far fetched but if you really think about the foundations that oil supports and then really think about completely drying up the supply tomorrow its really not far fetched at all.

I personally think “some” of this oil price increase from OPEC, such as Saudi is a ploy to anger Americans into believing if we were to pull out of the Middle East that prices would come done. That by our presents there some how contributes to the unrest that is causing these price spikes.

Our presence there and the current atmosphere is very frighten to Saudi and some other OPEC countries because they are in great danger of losing their control over their people. I honestly believe that in time, perhaps in as little as a few years, if things take hold there these current price spikes will subside. Of course there are other things that contribute to price such as China and other countries demands on oil, but nonetheless I think some of what is going on with the price of oil is based on history being made in the Middle East…

 

Guys...

FYI... off politics please.

Oil or nothing... Political threads get snubbed in short order here now...

RP

 

 

We (the USA) have more coal reserves than oil reserves and coal is available around the world also. For those who don't know about synthetic gasoline, during WWII Germany used it - ersatz gasoline – synthetic fuel manufactured from coal. Patton used it when he ran his supply lines dry in his race into Germany.

The USA has had this ability since the 40's and as of today we have done nothing more. Tell me that this makes any sense. Until enough money is put into alternative energy we have to rely on oil based fuels and making gasoline from coal makes sense.

Any comments?

 

If I had to guess, I'd say that labor unions in the coal mines have something to do with why we haven't pursued this farther. During the 40's, coal miners were little more than slaves to the mine owners. Maybe not slaves, let's call them indentured servants. In any case, coal was cheaper then. From what I understand, we import a lot of coal from overseas now. Not because we are running low; but, because labor laws in other countries allow for cheaper prices. Even after shipping and tariffs.

 

It comes down to market forces. It's still cheaper to get oil from current sources than sourcing gasoline from coal.

When the cost of coal conversion comes down / oil from current sources gets too pricey, you'll see more of it.

China is already dabbling in this area, as they too have tons of coal.

 

We can get some folks and pay them minimum age to pump the oil out of the ground in Texas, LA, California, etc...

 

We've been warned to not get into politics, so why don't you just drop it. Your ideas and suggestions make absolutely no sense to conservatives like myself, and conservative ideas are unfathomable to liberals like you. So just drop it.

 

Personally, if I was so worried about gas prices, I wouldn't be posting here, because I wouldn't have bought a truck and been part of this group of people who probably average about 12 mpg overall.

For that matter, what can I do about it? Probably not much, and I need gasoline to get where I choose to go, so meh.

holy crap, dude. Do you live in Central Park? 5-7 gallons a week to cut grass??