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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 01:14 PM
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Last One: F-15 Eagle -vs- F-14 Tomcat

I have always preferred the F-15 over the F-14; but, the movie Top Gun did a lot to make me like the Tomcat.

No doubt that the Tomcat is not a plane you want to tangle with from long distance (See Phoenix Missle), but- in a dog-fight, had I a choice, I'd rather be driving an F-15 than an F-14...

What do you guys think? (And before anyone says F-16 or F-18, they both would get spanked in a dog fight against the 14 or 15)..
 
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 01:21 PM
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Not that I have the vaugest technical or realistic reasoning but I have to say F-14 (then again my brother is in flight school with the Navy...)
 
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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Neither, give me the F-22. It would smoke both at the same time. Its weapons have more range than the F-14, and it can out dogfight the F-15. Plus with its stealth capability they would never see it coming.

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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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That's kind of unfair to throw the F22 in there, considering how much newer it is than the other 2 planes. I think that between the F14 and F15, the F15 would take the cake. We even discussed this in our Air Force ROTC class, as our Colonel is a veteran F15 pilot.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 04:16 PM
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I agree- the F-22 is not considered...

That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 04:42 PM
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Wookie you cheated.

The F-15 - without a dought

But both are sweet pieces of work
 

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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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Quiet is kept:

I think the F-22 is even faster than the F-15. First of all it has "Supercruise" which allows it to move at supersonic speed without afterburners.

It has two engines producing 32,500 lbs of thrust each. More than the engines on the SR-71 backbird...

So, it's smaller, and lighter than the SR-71, with more power. I wonder if she's faster than the Blackbird?

Officially, the answer is no- but, mathematically, if the output for the SR-71 is accurate, the F-22 might........
 
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 08:36 PM
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I thought the 14 was superior to the 15 with the variable wing configuration (low and high speed flight) but then again you dont see them in the Air Force.... I guess its just a Navy thing (storage on Carriers...) I personally like the Talon T-38 (they were the "Russians" in Top Gun) Those planes are NIMBLE!
 
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by S-crew03
I thought the 14 was superior to the 15 with the variable wing onfiguration (low and high speed flight) but then again you dont see them in the Air Force.... I guess its just a Navy thing (storage on Carriers...) I personally like the Talon T-38 (they were the "Russians" in Top Gun) Those planes are NIMBLE!
Nope, the swept wings of the F-14 have nothing to do with storage on an aircraft carrier. All aircraft that are capable of landing and taking off of an aircraft carrier have folding wings. The F-14 has the swept wing configuration for higher flight speeds.

When they want to haul some @ss the wings are swept back, when they are in dog fights and the like the wings are not swept back. Now since the F-14 has wings that can be swept in they do not need folding wings, they simply fold them in (swept) and that is how they are stored on deck.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 01:43 AM
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Are we realllyyy being serious here? There's no comparision, the F15 it it

Personally, I don't care for the F16 as much. I've always loved the F15, awesome bird.

I see the F22 fly quite often, they're putting it through the test phase out here. Pretty cool bird too....
 
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 02:35 AM
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Why is the f-15 better? This is why:

http://www.pakistanidefenceforum.com...hp/t37603.html

And also never having one shot down in air-to-air combat is impressive. Not just with American pilots, either.

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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 04:04 PM
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I would think the F-35 will be the better one when its in mass production.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 04:42 PM
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The F-35 won't be a match for the F-15; other than by virtue of it's stealth capability.. In a dogfight (Where the planes can be seen); the F-35 woould be a smoking hole in the ground against an F-15.

The F-35 is a replacement for the F-16 (Single engine) so I doubt it will have the power, or the thrust-to-weight ratio to turn, climd, dive or maneuver like an F-15 can...

The F-15 was the first plane to break the sound barrier in a vertical climb. In a dogfight, I'd even put the F-15 as a match for the F-22; were it not for the F-22's thrust vectoring...

This is why many experts thing the Soviet SU-#& Flanker could take out an F-15 in a dog fight. (The SU-37 can damn-near stop in mid-air without stalling; and actually fly backwards in a roll-over backflip without stalling... (We have an F-16 that can do that- Experimental, but not production.)

However- in distance combat; American fighters have no match...
 
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by cia-agent
Quiet is kept:

I think the F-22 is even faster than the F-15. First of all it has "Supercruise" which allows it to move at supersonic speed without afterburners.

It has two engines producing 32,500 lbs of thrust each. More than the engines on the SR-71 backbird...

So, it's smaller, and lighter than the SR-71, with more power. I wonder if she's faster than the Blackbird?

Officially, the answer is no- but, mathematically, if the output for the SR-71 is accurate, the F-22 might........
I've read that the F-22 has a top speed of Mach 1.8, but is likely conserrvatively rated.

Because the SR-71 flies so much higher, where the air is much thinner, I don't think the F-22 can approach the Blackbird's top speed. Blackbird pilots basically wore spacesuits, F-22s won't be flying that high.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2004 | 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by cia-agent The F-15 was the first plane to break the sound barrier in a vertical climb. [/B]
While not a fighter, the SR-71 was certainly doing this before the F-15 rolled onto the runway. My father has told me we witnessed this at an airshow at Davis Monthan AFB approx. 1970. I was just a kid, so I don't remember it specfically.
 
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