Agreed.

 

2005 Ford F150 specs:
300hp / 365tq
Towing capacity = 9,900 lbs
Max. payload = 3,000 lbs


2005 Nissan Titian specs:
305hp / 375tq
Towing capacity = 9,500 lbs
Max. payload = 1,480 lbs

I don’t know about you but the Ford beats the Titian since it can tow 400 lbs more which is not a lot more but it can carry twice the payload a Titian can thus making the Titian a weak choice between the two if one is buying a truck to use it as a truck…

Hell my high performance Lightning that would make a Titian look no faster then a Yugo has a payload capacity close to the Titian. My Lightning can carry a max payload of 1,350 lbs, only 130 lbs less then the Titian that is SUPPOSE to be a work truck since it don’t have very much in the performance class…

Looks like Nissan needs to go back to the drawing boards to come up with something that will possible come close to the Ford F150…

 

agreed! but....


01 XLT Sport = Burt

 

OK dilleyoshemp, sounds to me like you should have bought a Titan! If the Titan is such a powerful truck and can tow better then the F150, why did you buy the Ford?

It also looks like you missed the ENTIRE point of my post. So let me dumb it down for you!

The point was to explain why the imports don't have and likely never will have a bigger piece of the full size truck market. I never said that they don't build a good truck, I said that when sombody thinks truck they think of the big three. That is why the imports will never be able to compete on a level with Ford, Dodge, and Chevy/GMC.

That's the perception among the buyers, and until that changes, the big three will continue to dominate the truck market.

So now it's your turn to pull your head out of your ***, and get a breath of fresh air!

 

im not a troll

and i did buy a titan i have both a new f-150 and a titan, i have a 2003 gmc savana 2500 with the 5.3, a yellow 2004 fx4 and a 2004 titan kingcab le, the titan tows a lot better then all, i believe that savana has a 10,000lbs tow rating, anyways doesnt matter that the f-150 has a higher tow rating when it doesnt have enough ***** to move the load up grades on freeways, the titan will pull a 9400lbs trailer a lot better then an f-150 will

also to everyone talking about the titan not being able to outsell the big three, nissan just wanted a part of the fullsize truck market, not to blow the 3 out of the water, it wasnt their plan, i also believe the titan will increase its sales further, for 2005 a lot of quality issues have been addressed and it will only get better with time, there is news of a HD titan with a diesel to come out in the next 2 or 3 years or so that will also take a bit of sales away from the big three, nissans plan isnt to kill the big 3 in sales, but to have a piece of this big market, and they came out with an excellent first fullsize truck their first year, they will only get better with him

while the f-150 is a beautiful truck, the titan isnt ugly like all you say it is so stop attacking it based on its looks, the titan has gotten a lot more attention then my f-150, my envoy when it just came out or any other gmc, mercury, chevy or ford car that ive owned, its a very good looking truck in my opinion, and many ppl that ive met have agreed, i get ppl comming up to me at gas stations, at malls, ppl talking to me at traffic lights, it definatley looks good in person, pictures do not do it justice, plus looks are subjective, they dont make a truck worse just because you prefer the look of your truck, have a good day guys

 

dude's got a lot of trucks.

 

Why anyone would tow a #9000 trailer with ANY truck that has a GVWR of less then #7000 is beyond me....... Well, I think the '04 F150s are #7200, but still............

You want to tow that much trailer, you need a 250 series truck at the minimum......

Sure, that Titan or even F150 will tow it down the road and probably do pretty good in a straight line........ What happens when you are going downhill and having to take some corners?? What happens when that stupid Honda Civic cuts in front of you to exit and slams on his brakes?? What about when that gust of wind catches the side of your trailer and decides it wants to take you with it...... Sure, on your best days, these things can tow whatever you want to strap to it's butt...... It's on that one BAD day, you will want to have some reserve capacity left over to handle the situation.....

I was not a very good student in highschool, but learned enough to know that leverage is a pretty powerfull thing and the force required to move something that is already smaller and lighter then you and then add some leverage to it and who is controlling who??

We can banter on all day about all these damn "tow ratings"..... They don't really mean anything, since they are based off of the trucks CURB WEIGHT and a single #150 driver....... Every pound you add above that curb weight is considered PAYLOAD and must be subtraced from that "tow rating"..... To think you can take your fully loaded leather optioned truck with every bell and whistle and then load up the family and throw some stuff in the bed and then hitch up that "#9000" trailer and go on your merry is just fooling yourself......

Anyway, enough of the lecture..... Get the Titan if that's what you want.... Get the F150 if that's what you want.... The reason you get a lot of attention with the Titan, IMO, is that it's a brand new truck design from a company that in the past was only known for it's compact trucks...... When the new body design of the F150 came out in 1997, there was a lot of fan fair with it too.... Sure, the new '04 F150s have a totally new look, and they get more attention then the "old" F150s get now, but really, it's whatever floats your boat.....

Just be glad you are driving any TRUCK and be happy with that...

Good luck!

Mitch

 

yup i agree, i think we should all be happy that were fortunate to be able to afford nice trucks, i own many trucks, 6 in total and all have their strong and weak points, there all great in their own ways, i believe every truck in todays market is a good one and you could be happy with either one as i am with all mines, sometimes i wish the bashing would end but i guess its part of our nature or something, ill get defensive over any of my vechiles because i own them and they mean something special to me, i hope you guys have a great week :santa:

 

LMAO

I love my F150, especially now since it's all bought and paid for, but I also like the Titan. I think they came out with some cool ideas, and the competition only makesd things better for us in the end.

Regards

 

uh huh... you don't say. 1 from each full-size manufacturer?

 

no just ford nissan gmc and chevy, never owned a dodge or toyota

 

For me at least, it's the memories of all the very junky import trucks that were marketed back in the 80s.

Who can forget the Mazda B2000 sundowner? Metal so thin I dented the box side just by leaning against it--while it was on the showfloor.

What about the rusted toyota pickups? Everyone remember that seam they decided to weld down the middle of the bed side?

What about the 'yugo' look nissan pickups? Not too many of those around, are there?

I call it the chrysler test--named after the infamous Kcar--how many 20 year old import trucks are around compared to 20 year old domestic trucks? (Yes, I know most 'domestics' aren't domestic)

I don't have as much of a problem with the styling as alot of people do--just with the investment.

I will say this though--my sister traded in her Focus on a Honda sport util and the depreciation curve was MUCH better for whatever reason. Yes, the vehicles are apples and oranges--but that Honda was so much better built than the Focus it wasn't funny.

Actually, had the prices been better I would have considered a Titan--and that's where Nissan really loses. The only way I'm going to consider a Nissan is if it is so much cheaper than the Ford/GM that the pure economics of the situation take over.

Until that happens, I'm a redneck in a Ford. (well, not really a redneck--I'm embarassingly liberal, but as far as Nissan is concerned, I might as well be.)

-Jeff

p.s. Their whole battle with Uzi Nissan over www.nissan.com really POd me too.

 

Has anyone got a Titan past 100,000 miles yet? I keep hearing owners getting really mad about me saying that their truck is ugly and that it sucks compared to an F-150, but I haven't seen anything to the contrary. And yes, the new Titan is FUGLY, with a capital F! It's not my opinion, but a majority opnion, and not just people on here, but then again, I've seen married women that I thought were ugly, too, but evidently not everyone has the same taste. The tow ratings aren't b.s., they have insurance and legal implications, as well as warranty implications, too. Titans haven't proved anything to me yet, except that they probably won't be around long, or I won't have to look at them, because they're really not going to sell that good. It would be terrible if they quit making them, though, I don't think Nissan is going to stop making them, no matter how poorly they sell, though, and I do expect them to have a 3/4 ton diesel in the next year or two.

 

Not flaming you, but that's precisely the attitude that Detroit had, just before they lost tons of market share to the imports.

Imports from Japan tend to:
- enter the market slowly
- continuously improve their products
- slowly and methodically increase market share at the expense of the domestics

Detroit is very aware of this, having lost tons of car market share to the Japanese - they can't afford to lose share on profitable trucks.

However, thanks to imported competition, we have domestic trucks that are re-done to good effect every few years.

Not too long ago, a full-size truck would sell virtually unchanged for 10 or more years on the market. Not so anymore.

 

You're right. When people say things like, "Toyota's rust" they're showing their ignorance. That was an issue with their trucks like 15 years ago. They make very good quality trucks now. Don't be so brand loyal that you lose your ability to see facts.