Correct. Thats not what he said, but it stills shows his stance on terrorism. I guess it boils down to what your definition of 'nuisance' is.

To me a 'nuisance' is something that is a mere inconvenience, or annoying. Attacks on America and it's people do not fit that catagory.

By Kerry's words the first WTC bombings, the USS Cole, US embasy bombings were all 'just a nuisance'.

Very poor choice of words on his part.


I've posted on this before.

Part of the Islamic Terrorist thing is similar to class warfare around here. You get a radical leader who tells *his people* they are poor and have no work because the man is holding them down, they are going to follow him because it's someelse to blame.

If those people had jobs, busy and important lives they would just class the radical leader as a 'wacko' and the amount of followers will dimish. Same case with the radicalists.

Where not gonna rid the world of terrorism overnight, but every little thing is just a piece in the puzzle.

 

No, but one of Kerry's supporters cough*Raoul*cough will be buying me a nice big fat juicy steak...

 

XLT - I'd love to see you reak havick here: http://www.politick.org.uk/index.php

 

Raoul, respectfully......

Making sure that our population fully understands anything seems to me to be next to impossible. Through out the history of this country there have been so many different views of so many different issues. There has always been a percentage of people who saw a view different from the intent.

I do understand where your coming from and believe that in theory it's a good idea. I also believe that things could have been done differently so that the controversy over Iraq could have been avoided. I know that you and many in this country are concerned with what might happen if Bush is reelected. I, and many in this country are concerned that Kerry will make choices that set the war on terrorist back, and choices that will alienate the hard working people of this country.

 

I think wittom is on to something. No one can get Congress to agree on anything so how can they get the entire American people to agree let alone the world.

Raoul each time I read the transcript I see 'globel test' and Kerry does go on to explain it, but never states what is a passing score. Does the fact that the security council told Iraq that any further hinderence of the inspection process would result in serious and grave consequences? Pass the test. Kerry does not state that the world needs to agree with your reason for war just that they understand why you went to war. Quite frankly if the world did not understand they were just being twinks and attampting to be difficult. France, Russia, and Germany all believed Iraq had WMD. Hans Blix stated each time he went before the security council that Iraq was not full cooperating. If you cannot understand those reasons then your an idiot. Kerry never stated anyone had to agree with the reasons only that they understood them.

I equate it with the drunk who when read an implied consent law states they don't understand it. After explaining it to them again they still state they do not understand it. They are attempting to punk the officer and circumvent the law. They are given the opportunity to blow then put in a jail cell.

Since Kerry initially wanted to have terrorism a law enforcement issue not a military issue his statment about terrorism being a nuicense is understandable. IF he believe organized crime is a mere nuicense then he is badly mistaken. Granted they do not have the power they once had, but the majority of crime in this country is commited by some form of organized group or is the result of the organized groups efforts.

 

It's a two part test, as I explained above.
I'll tell you what the passing score is.
If I understand it and it makes sense to me the first part gets a passing score. In this case that would be a clear understandable explanation of why we invaded Iraq. The answer will not receive a passing grade if it contains the numbers (911).

The second part is the 'after the fact' test. If weapons inspectors couldn't find WMD because Saddam hid them, Fine.
Now 130,000 troops have looked for a year and a half, reports and experts agree, no WMD. Second part failed.

The Global test is simple.
First convince me, then do it.
After you do it, prove to the world that you were rightous.

If you declare war then say "Oops!"
you should not keep your job.

Bush knows this. He will never say "Oops".
History will deal him in the years to come.
I'll deal with him on Nov 2nd.

 

Kerry wants the second part prior to any action. He won't get the second part until he acts and he won't act until he gets the second part. The bottom line is he won't act preemtively.

 

"that you did it" sounds like past tense to me so, I can't support your thesis.

 

I have great respect for my good friend Raoul but still disagree with his reasoning for his opinion.

I understand what he is saying about we need to make a case to OUR people, screw the other countries, I worry about my home before what my neighbors may think. If you can make a case to OUR people and the majority agree (51%) then that passes the test and the test is complete.

We passed the test because we had not only our own intelligence tell us that Saddam had WMD’S but the entire free world ”except Raoul” (I remembered)

Just because we did not find WMD’S does not mean we failed any test because there was a cheat involved with the test and that cheat was Saddam. Saddam lied and deceived people to believe he did indeed have WMD’S so Saddam failed the test.

Let me relate where I am coming from about the ”I don’t give a damn that we did not find any WMD’S in Iraq”

Police is chasing a suspect believed to have just committed 3 homicides. The police do not know this for a fact, but based on “intelligence” they have good reason to believe it. The suspect speeds off in his vehicle. The chase ends when the police ram the suspects car and order him to stop and put his hands up. The suspects does not follow the orders (like the UN resolutions) suspect proceeds to reach into his jacket pocket. Police give further orders to not move or he will be shot. Suspect continues to ignore police order (Saddam continues to not cooperate with inspectors). Police have good reason to believe suspect is going to grab a gun and shot them so police take the first action to protect themselves, police shot suspect and suspect dies.

Later it is found that the suspect never had a gun but did indeed commit homicides ( Saddam killing people with WMD’S) so the shooting is ruled ok in self defense regardless the suspect had a weapon or not because his prior actions proved he very well could have had one and most likely would have used it…

The police pass the test just like America passed the test in Iraq. There was plenty of evidence to support Saddam had WMD’S, and the best evidence was given by Saddam. There was plenty of evidence to support Saddam would use WMD’S since he had done so on his own people. There was plenty of evidence to support that fact that Saddam was waiting for the UN sanctions to be lifted so he could restart development and production of WMD’S.

America passed the test, President Bush passed the test with 100%. It don’t matter after the fact what was or was not in Iraq since there was plenty of evidence to justify the action taken, just like the police shooting a suspect reaching into his pocket after being ordered over and over to STOP or get SHOT.

Saddam was warned and didn’t listen…

Kerry failed the test because Kerry wouldn’t have had France, Germany and Russia’s permission to act in OUR own self defense.

Kerry is a follower, a weak timid little man looking to be popular over America’s best interest…

 

Thankfully, beyond all the bickering we have been doing here there is an end. Regardless of what our individual views are, this country, collectively, will go to the polls to vote with our conscience. Some of us will get what we want, and some of us will not.

 

You nailed it! Well said!

I vote Bush for another 4!

 

There was an overwhelming amount of intel that said quite the opposite, which the congress, us, the world didn't get to see because that intel was supressed by the admin.
Bob Graham saw this intel and has been talking about it for months,and he has a book about it as well.

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Let me relate where I am coming from about the ”I don’t give a damn that we did not find any WMD’S in Iraq”

Police is chasing a suspect believed to have just committed 3 homicides. The police do not know this for a fact, but based on “intelligence” they have good reason to believe it. The suspect speeds off in his vehicle. The chase ends when the police ram the suspects car and order him to stop and put his hands up. The suspects does not follow the orders (like the UN resolutions) suspect proceeds to reach into his jacket pocket. Police give further orders to not move or he will be shot. Suspect continues to ignore police order (Saddam continues to not cooperate with inspectors). Police have good reason to believe suspect is going to grab a gun and shot them so police take the first action to protect themselves, police shot suspect and suspect dies.

Later it is found that the suspect never had a gun but did indeed commit homicides ( Saddam killing people with WMD’S) so the shooting is ruled ok in self defense regardless the suspect had a weapon or not because his prior actions proved he very well could have had one and most likely would have used it…

Of course you don't care... now, because if you and shrub did acknowledge that WMD's was the primary reason for invading, then you and shrubbery would be wrong. Would that fall into the catagory of a flip flop?

KERRY: When the president had an opportunity to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, he took his focus off of them, outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, and Osama bin Laden escaped. Six months after he said Osama bin Laden must be caught dead or alive, this president was asked, ``Where is Osama bin Laden?'' He said: ``I don't know. I don't really think about him very much. I'm not that concerned.'' We need a president who stays deadly focused on the real war on terror.

BUSH: Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations. Of course we're worried about Osama bin Laden. We're on the hunt after Osama bin Laden. We're using every asset at our disposal to get Osama bin Laden.

In a March 2002 clip of a White House press conference guaranteed now to be revived for TV airplay, Bush replied to a question about Bin Laden's whereabouts by saying, "I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him. ... I truly am not that concerned about him."

In a corrupt municipality where the cops getting off would this shooting be acceptable. In your analogy, You left out the part where he had 100,000 of his own money in the car, but only 10,000 made it to the evidence room. Lest we forget the wife and kids who were caught in the crossfire.

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The police pass the test just like America passed the test in Iraq. There was plenty of evidence to support Saddam had WMD’S, and the best evidence was given by Saddam. There was plenty of evidence to support Saddam would use WMD’S since he had done so on his own people. There was plenty of evidence to support that fact that Saddam was waiting for the UN sanctions to be lifted so he could restart development and production of WMD’S.

Instead of Iran already having an accelerated nuke program and N. Korea already having devices and delivery systems?
Instead of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan being havens for terrorist cells?

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America passed the test, President Bush passed the test with 100%. It don’t matter after the fact what was or was not in Iraq since there was plenty of evidence to justify the action taken, just like the police shooting a suspect reaching into his pocket after being ordered over and over to STOP or get SHOT.

Saddam was warned and didn’t listen…

No we didn't, he supressed the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This admin cheated (what a surprise).

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Kerry failed the test because Kerry wouldn’t have had France, Germany and Russia’s permission to act in OUR own self defense.

Not if it was Iran we were after... you know, a country that is actually developing nukes, becoming a threat that will give or sell them to terrorists, and everyone knows it.
But so sad for shrubs administration, Iran isn't oil rich.

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Kerry is a follower, a weak timid little man looking to be popular over America’s best interest…

That statement is a best applied to shrub.