I’m sorry but this just rubs me the wrong way. I didn’t know your first post was asking, not for information, but for someone to help you scam a cheaper deal on your “wifes” car. People like you are the reason we don’t get chit at work or anywhere else for that matter. So you get your pin number, get a deal, go on your marry way. Word gets out sooner or latter of your scam and people like you. What’s my company to do except pull the promotion and contract with Ford, screwing me and the 1000’s of people that work here. With lay off’s, cut backs, off shore, and our shrinking dollar bill, these types of incentives make it a little easier going to work everyday and busting your ****.

When did honesty and hard work go down the toilet? Everyone is freak‘en victim. Sorry to the Web Masters for putting this as it’s own post but I wanted everyone to read it.

 

racerx1307.....

how do you figure its a scam for someone to give out an x plan pin....thats what they are for..if you work for ford you get A plan price anyway....you think im the first guy to get a pin # from someone so i can save some of my hard earned $$.....i work just as hard as you for my paycheck and want to spend as little as i can when i buy a car....as far i can tell its "people like you" that have no clue what your talking about thats screwing things up....you think Ford dont make any money when someone buys using the X plan?...why should i or anyone else have to pay thousands more than you do for the same thing?..the guy thats giving out x-plan pins knows if they are used that a Ford product will be sold......if you work for ford that keeps them working and food on their tables....look at the post on the lightning board where the guy is giving out xplan pins.."i have xplans"..he works for Ford ....so eat chit troll.....
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=170257

 

i would think theres some sort of legal issue here with selling/giving away xplan pin's. Im surprised the mod's allow those kind of posts. What if someone from ford with clout was to read forums like this and decide to do something about it. Goodbye x-plan. Perhaps this is why GM doesnt allow an xplan type situation, too many scamming people. Would hate to see this site get into trouble over someone wanting to save a few dollars on their new car.

Dan

 

To be able to use the X-Plan you need to be w/ an associated partner to FMC. Having an X-Plan pin only helps you find out what the negotiated price should be...something that any good car buyer can get to IF he knows what he should be paying...

I personally bought my '03 on the X-Plan, but had to show the dealer 2 forms of identification, plus a paycheck (& business card) to prove that I was an employee of a partnering company...

X-Plan ISN't for just anyone off the street. X-Plan pricing...well only if you can negociate well. Being an X-Plan partner only saves about 3 hours of haggling over the price.

Tony

 

yup, X-Plan is nothing more than saving yourself a few hours of bullsh@t negotiating. You'll find plenty of people on this site that will tell you they did better than X-Plan by sticking with the negotiations.

I used X-Plan this time around - don't know if I will again.

 

Oh how wrong you are. My dad is retired from Ford, my sister-in-law works for Ford. She can get, I believe, 4 x-plans that she can GIVE to whoever she chooses. It's no big deal and anyone who works for Ford can do the same thing. The x-plan pin number GETS you the vehicles for the x-plan price.

 

I know at my job they only allow two cars to be in my name using x-plan. I too had to use 2 forms of identification and a pacheck stub when I bought my 04 this year. Doesn't seem right to be able to give away pin #'s like that. But hey, doesn't matter to me--I'm clean.

 

i used the x-plan from a friend that retired from Ford to get my 04 lariat...from what he told me the x-plan is for friends of employees.....if his son wanted to get a new Ford he could use the A-plan to buy it....when i bought my truck in January the x-plan did help alot because they were not dealing alot on the prices as they were still new and were selling fast....in my case now with the purchase of an 04 mustang the x-plan price could actually be more than if i negotiated myself on the price...with the 05's on the way to all the dealers lots the 04's will have to go one way or the other....

 

This is a long post, but should answere questions..

Contents



Introduction

A/Z Plan Eligibility

X Plan Eligibility

Product Availability

Obtaining a Vehicle

Pricing

Delivery Terms & Conditions

Frequently Asked Questions

Contact Information

Attachment I

Attachment II




Introduction



The New Vehicle Purchase Plan (AXZ-Plan) is offered by the Company to encourage employees, retirees and their families and friends to drive new Company products. This document contains a detailed description of the Plan, your rights and responsibilities, and those of the dealer. You are encouraged to read each section to familiarize yourself with Plan rules and guidelines. Following are key Plan provisions to get you started:



· Four vehicles may be purchased or leased, on the A/Z Plan, each calendar year by you and your eligible family members.

· Four vehicles may be purchased or leased, on the X Plan, each calendar year by your friends or neighbors.

· Vehicles must be kept in the purchaser's name and possession for at least six months.

· A/Z Plan prices are dealer net wholesale, essentially what the dealer paid Ford Motor Company for the vehicle.

· X Plan prices are generally 4% higher than A/Z Plan prices.

· Each time you wish to purchase or lease a vehicle you will need to get a new Personal Identification number (PIN).

· Vehicles must be purchased or leased from dealers franchised for the sold product.







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The New Vehicle Purchase Plan is offered by the Company to encourage employees, retirees and their families and friends to drive new Company products.


To the extent that any of the terms or conditions contained in this document are inconsistent with any other existing descriptions of the New Vehicle Purchase Plan, the terms of this document, and where appropriate the Red Carpet Lease Agreement, will control. The Company reserves the right to modify or discontinue the New Vehicle Purchase Plan at any time without notice.



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A/Z Plan Eligibility



Who's Eligible?


· All active full-time hourly employees and regular and supplemental salaried employees, beginning with their date of hire.

· All hourly retirees receiving a normal, early (regular or special) or disability retirement benefit, as long as any medical benefits are being received.

· Salaried retirees who retired under the General Retirement Plan, including salaried employees who terminate between the ages of 50-55 and who are eligible to receive certain deferred retirement benefits, are eligible while they are receiving benefits.

· Surviving Spouses of employees who died while actively employed and Surviving Spouses of retirees who retired under the General Retirement Plan, or who are receiving benefits under the Ford-UAW Retirement Plan.

· Employees on an approved leave of absence, for the duration of the leave or until expiration of any medical benefits.

· Employees on layoff for the first 12 months of the layoff.

· All regular part-time hourly and salaried employees who are eligible to receive medical benefits.

· Deferred Vested Retirees while they are receiving a Ford pension check.

· Members of the immediate family of the above. "Immediate family" means the following relatives of the employee or retiree:

o Spouse

o Parents

o Spouse's parents

o Sons and daughters (including in-laws and step-children)

o Grandchildren

o Brothers and sisters (including in-laws, half and step)

o Same-sex domestic partners of eligible active employees *

o Immediate family members of eligible same-sex domestic partners *

* When audited, the employee must provide a notarized affidavit, dated prior to the sale date, that a same-sex domestic partnership exists. The Company defines a same-sex domestic partnership as a relationship between two people who meet ALL of the following criteria:



· Are the same sex

· Have shared a continuous committed relationship with each other for no less than 6 (six) months, intend to do so indefinitely, and they have no such relationship with any other person

· Are jointly responsible for each other's welfare and financial obligations

· Reside in the same household

· Are not related by blood to a degree of kinship that would prevent marriage from being recognized under the laws of their state of residence

· Must reside in a state where marriage between persons of the same sex is not recognized as a valid marriage, or, if residing in a state which recognizes same-sex unions, enter into such union as recognized by the state

· Each is over the age of 18, of legal age, and legally competent to enter a contract

· Neither is married to a third party



NOTE: When both the employee/retiree and his/her spouse are deceased, surviving family members are no longer eligible.



Who's Not?


· UAW represented hourly employees, retirees, surviving spouses and their immediate family members are ineligible for Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover, and Mazda* purchases or leases.

*Mazda Products built in UAW assembly plants are eligible for purchase.



· Non-employees, including agency or contract personnel

· Employees who terminate, effective with the date of termination

· All other family members not mentioned above as eligible, including but not limited to:

o grandparents

o cousins

o uncles

o aunts

o nephews

o nieces

· Family members of Surviving Spouses after the Surviving Spouse is deceased

· All others not specifically mentioned as eligible in the preceding section

NOTE: Employees, Retirees and Surviving Spouses may be asked to document the eligibility of family members they sponsor. Submission of birth certificates, marriage licenses etc., may be required by Plan Administration. Failure to provide adequate documentation may result in suspension of the Sponsor’s Plan privileges and/or the Sponsor having to re-pay any dealer commissions and the Sponsor being subject to disciplinary action, up to and including termination (see Conditions).






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X Plan Eligibility



Who's Eligible?


Customers are eligible for the X-Plan if they were identified and sponsored, by a Ford Motor Company employee or retiree, before visiting a dealership.



Who's Not?


· Government employees and officials whose use of the Plan may be construed as influencing a public official.

· Employees of Ford, Lincoln-Mercury, Jaguar, Mazda, Land Rover, or Volvo dealerships.

Anyone who has discussed a retail purchase of a vehicle, with a dealer, prior to applying for an X Plan.





Appropriate X-Plan Use



Employees and Retirees must consider the following before sponsoring an X-Plan purchase.

It is in direct violation of the program rules to provide PINs to a dealership employee or to customers referred to the Sponsor by a dealership employee. In addition, accepting money or gifts in connection with providing someone a PIN is strictly prohibited. Violations of these rules will result in suspension of A/Z and X-Plan eligibility and may result in termination of employment with the Company.



Sponsors are responsible for managing their PIN allocation and making sure the customers they sponsor follow the rules. If a customer fails to follow the rules (including titling and length of ownership requirements), the Sponsor's Plan eligibility is at risk. Therefore, if Sponsors cannot answer all of the following questions, as indicated, it is advised that they do not sponsor the customer:



· Is the customer someone you feel you know and can trust? YES

· Is this customer a dealership employee? NO

· Did a dealership employee refer this customer to you? NO

· Are you receiving or being offered cash or gifts to sponsor this customer? NO

· Is this customer a government employee or official whose use of the Plan may be construed as influencing a public official? NO

· Is this customer considering purchasing a competitor's product? YES


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FYI - proper negotiation can get you within $200-$300 of the X plan price anyway! You don't need it. There's no reason why anyone should ever pay more than invoice price on these new trucks. If your dealer won't deal, move on. There are loads of dealers here willing to sell at invoice with a little leg work on my part. I personally have access (legit) to the X Plan (our company provides CAD/CAM/PLM software to Ford), but the X Plan price was only a couple less than invoice. I guess one advantage of X plan is it requires the dealer to NOT charge 'document fees' and goofy crap like that. AND...with the incentives the way they are now, anyone in the country can get a better deal on a F-150 right now than I did in March. You don't need the X plan.

 

Little off topic but

So you can't get a X-plan price, then add the rebates on top of it?

 

Yes you sure can. What people are sayin is the way dealerships wanna move the 04 you can get damn near if not better than with haggling so for an 04 its not really worth the hassle of getting a pin. Rebates are rebates and get applied no matter what you use.