What $10,000 buys
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What $10,000 buys
This is how you take $10,000 and turn a sweet vehicle, list price, $36,860, into a truck nobody else wants and your wife won’t drive
ATI ProCharger $3,391.50
Misc., spark plugs, wire, nuts and bolts, fuel filter $35.00
AM Air/Fuel Gauge, Boost Gauge, Fuel Pressure $435.98
Pillar Pod $108.87
More wire $15.00
Assistant to aid in install of PorCharger, Gauges, etc. $720.00
Flex-a-Lite E-Fans $408.90
Modify Intercooler tubes to accommodate E-Fans $75.00
Rancho RSX Shocks $199.00
Flowmaster SIDO Exhaust System $324.90
O2 sensor and air-fuel pigtail $55.00
New Main Bracket Assembly for ProCharger $452.00
ProCharger Oil $38.95
9100 Micro Tuner, 90MM MAF, 43# Injectors $1,012.00
Tuner E-Mail update kit and FTVB $286.17
AutoTap $321.45
New Lap Top because old one too slow for AutoTap $1,546.12
New USB cord for AutoTap $106.26
Weld Exhaust System together $224.00
Worthless Dyno Run $170.00
Dyno Run $361.28
Total $10,287.38
ATI ProCharger $3,391.50
Misc., spark plugs, wire, nuts and bolts, fuel filter $35.00
AM Air/Fuel Gauge, Boost Gauge, Fuel Pressure $435.98
Pillar Pod $108.87
More wire $15.00
Assistant to aid in install of PorCharger, Gauges, etc. $720.00
Flex-a-Lite E-Fans $408.90
Modify Intercooler tubes to accommodate E-Fans $75.00
Rancho RSX Shocks $199.00
Flowmaster SIDO Exhaust System $324.90
O2 sensor and air-fuel pigtail $55.00
New Main Bracket Assembly for ProCharger $452.00
ProCharger Oil $38.95
9100 Micro Tuner, 90MM MAF, 43# Injectors $1,012.00
Tuner E-Mail update kit and FTVB $286.17
AutoTap $321.45
New Lap Top because old one too slow for AutoTap $1,546.12
New USB cord for AutoTap $106.26
Weld Exhaust System together $224.00
Worthless Dyno Run $170.00
Dyno Run $361.28
Total $10,287.38
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You're not allowed to not finish the post by not writing a review.
C'mon, how is it?
Most of us are salivating here to learn the results!!
That there is my dream, (other than the dream I occasionally have of waking up at the playboy mansion)
Please write a little review for us "wannabees"
... and a big congrats!
C'mon, how is it?
Most of us are salivating here to learn the results!!
That there is my dream, (other than the dream I occasionally have of waking up at the playboy mansion)
Please write a little review for us "wannabees"
... and a big congrats!
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Okay Habibi:
Here’s the review.
The first mod was the ATI ProCharger P-1SC. This was a relatively easy install. However, by the time you change the spark plugs, install the ProCharger, and install the gauges you end up with much more time than the 10 hours that ATI suggests you might need.
The ProCharger was an instant success. No problems, just fun driving. It is noisy when at idle because of the gears. I am not too crazy about the belt drive. When first installed it kept throwing the belt and we had to shim out the main bracket. We initially shimmed it about 3/16 of an inch using 2 washers on each bolt. After about 6,000 miles it became apparent that this was too much as it was chewing up the back side idlers and shredding belts. Removed one washer from each bolt and it has been fine for the last 6,000 miles. The Procharger has its own oil. It’s a pain in the neck to change the oil because you can’t see the nut. ATI will sell you a syringe to suck the oil out of the unit. Gotta have the syringe.
I started this project to improve the towing capacity of the vehicle on steep grades at high altitude. The ProCharger had little impact on the performance of the vehicle for this purpose. Therefore, I decided to free up as much HP as possible and added the electric fans and the SIDO Flowmaster 40 Series exhaust system.
The electric fans were a must because of the drag and noise of the clutch fan when down shifting on steep grades from 3rd to 2nd gear. The E-Fans required modification of the intercooler tubes by cutting and pasting the tubes to clear the E-Fans and the drive pulleys.
The Flex-a-Lite E-Fans are also very noisy when running, but they seldom run. The exception is stop and go driving or when the air conditioner is on.
Love the Flowmaster muffler and duals out back. Nice sound at all speeds.
These are two mods I would do again on any vehicle.
The Rancho RSX shocks were a necessity inasmuch as the original shocks were blown at about 26,000 miles. I am satisfied with these self adjusting shocks.
Now here’s the sticky part!!
I ordered the 9100 tuner and it was recommend that I add a 90 MM MAF and 43# injectors and dump the FMU which comes with the ProCharger. I later order the FTVB, which also was recommended since I tow a fairly large travel trailer. The tune did not take into consideration that I was going to add the FTVB and I installed the tunes, 90MM MAF, 42# injectors, and the FTVB at the same time. The shift to 1-2 is very hard. This can be corrected by adjusting the tune to take into consideration the FTVB. The remaining shifts are firm but tolerable.
It was decided not to adjust the tune for the shift problem until after the engine was data logged and runs were made on a dynamometer.
This first dyno run was worthless. It was an old dyno and they couldn’t log anything. Therefore, I purchased the Auto Tap to make sure that certain features could be logged and began to look for another dyno. Finally found a Mustang Dynamometer down in Littleton, Colorado. We live in the foothills south west of Denver about 35 miles.
Old Compaq Laptop couldn’t function fast enough to accurately do the data log. So a new lap top. HP Pavillion zt3340us. A little pricey, but a nice machine. Very happy with this, also.
The Auto Tap is a nice program but kind of expensive if you are not going to do a lot of data logging. This would be a good thing for a club or a group of guys with similar interests to own together. May put mine on E-Bay after finished with the tuning issues.
All of the data logging and dyno information has been sent to the tuner and I am now waiting for the revised tunes for the SCT 9100.
It would be unfair to evaluate the tuning at this point. The shift is still firm and the vehicle is running rich in all three tunes. Maybe after all the adjustments have been made I will comment on the tuning process.
For my purposes, if I ever do this again, this is how I would proceed:
1. FTVB
2. Tuner (mainly to move up rev limiters) with FTVB in consideration
3. E-Fans
4. Exhaust System
5. Replace original equipment shocks
6. If this didn’t get me where I wanted to be, Super Charger or Turbo
Bob
Here’s the review.
The first mod was the ATI ProCharger P-1SC. This was a relatively easy install. However, by the time you change the spark plugs, install the ProCharger, and install the gauges you end up with much more time than the 10 hours that ATI suggests you might need.
The ProCharger was an instant success. No problems, just fun driving. It is noisy when at idle because of the gears. I am not too crazy about the belt drive. When first installed it kept throwing the belt and we had to shim out the main bracket. We initially shimmed it about 3/16 of an inch using 2 washers on each bolt. After about 6,000 miles it became apparent that this was too much as it was chewing up the back side idlers and shredding belts. Removed one washer from each bolt and it has been fine for the last 6,000 miles. The Procharger has its own oil. It’s a pain in the neck to change the oil because you can’t see the nut. ATI will sell you a syringe to suck the oil out of the unit. Gotta have the syringe.
I started this project to improve the towing capacity of the vehicle on steep grades at high altitude. The ProCharger had little impact on the performance of the vehicle for this purpose. Therefore, I decided to free up as much HP as possible and added the electric fans and the SIDO Flowmaster 40 Series exhaust system.
The electric fans were a must because of the drag and noise of the clutch fan when down shifting on steep grades from 3rd to 2nd gear. The E-Fans required modification of the intercooler tubes by cutting and pasting the tubes to clear the E-Fans and the drive pulleys.
The Flex-a-Lite E-Fans are also very noisy when running, but they seldom run. The exception is stop and go driving or when the air conditioner is on.
Love the Flowmaster muffler and duals out back. Nice sound at all speeds.
These are two mods I would do again on any vehicle.
The Rancho RSX shocks were a necessity inasmuch as the original shocks were blown at about 26,000 miles. I am satisfied with these self adjusting shocks.
Now here’s the sticky part!!
I ordered the 9100 tuner and it was recommend that I add a 90 MM MAF and 43# injectors and dump the FMU which comes with the ProCharger. I later order the FTVB, which also was recommended since I tow a fairly large travel trailer. The tune did not take into consideration that I was going to add the FTVB and I installed the tunes, 90MM MAF, 42# injectors, and the FTVB at the same time. The shift to 1-2 is very hard. This can be corrected by adjusting the tune to take into consideration the FTVB. The remaining shifts are firm but tolerable.
It was decided not to adjust the tune for the shift problem until after the engine was data logged and runs were made on a dynamometer.
This first dyno run was worthless. It was an old dyno and they couldn’t log anything. Therefore, I purchased the Auto Tap to make sure that certain features could be logged and began to look for another dyno. Finally found a Mustang Dynamometer down in Littleton, Colorado. We live in the foothills south west of Denver about 35 miles.
Old Compaq Laptop couldn’t function fast enough to accurately do the data log. So a new lap top. HP Pavillion zt3340us. A little pricey, but a nice machine. Very happy with this, also.
The Auto Tap is a nice program but kind of expensive if you are not going to do a lot of data logging. This would be a good thing for a club or a group of guys with similar interests to own together. May put mine on E-Bay after finished with the tuning issues.
All of the data logging and dyno information has been sent to the tuner and I am now waiting for the revised tunes for the SCT 9100.
It would be unfair to evaluate the tuning at this point. The shift is still firm and the vehicle is running rich in all three tunes. Maybe after all the adjustments have been made I will comment on the tuning process.
For my purposes, if I ever do this again, this is how I would proceed:
1. FTVB
2. Tuner (mainly to move up rev limiters) with FTVB in consideration
3. E-Fans
4. Exhaust System
5. Replace original equipment shocks
6. If this didn’t get me where I wanted to be, Super Charger or Turbo
Bob
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Thanks for the nice write up Bob, you are my hero.
Most guys lie in bed at night thinking about chicks, money, a fancy ride, not me, I lie in bed at night thinking about
"One day I'm gonna get me a supercharger"
I don't want it for practical reasons like towing a big RV or whatever, I want it for only childish reasons so I can biatch-slap all the chevy's, ricers and almost anyone else who gives me the "yeah, I'm cool" look at the traffic light.
One day it will happen, I'll pull up to Mike T's shop with my bag of money and say "lay it on me bro, gimmee the full works package for 10 grand"
I wanted to do it this summer but wife thought new flooring was more important, bleh!
Most guys lie in bed at night thinking about chicks, money, a fancy ride, not me, I lie in bed at night thinking about
"One day I'm gonna get me a supercharger"
I don't want it for practical reasons like towing a big RV or whatever, I want it for only childish reasons so I can biatch-slap all the chevy's, ricers and almost anyone else who gives me the "yeah, I'm cool" look at the traffic light.
One day it will happen, I'll pull up to Mike T's shop with my bag of money and say "lay it on me bro, gimmee the full works package for 10 grand"
I wanted to do it this summer but wife thought new flooring was more important, bleh!
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Originally posted by rgerlofs
I started this project to improve the towing capacity of the vehicle on steep grades at high altitude. The ProCharger had little impact on the performance of the vehicle for this purpose.
I started this project to improve the towing capacity of the vehicle on steep grades at high altitude. The ProCharger had little impact on the performance of the vehicle for this purpose.
Need more towing capacity AND highway drivability? A roots (Allen, Kenne Bell or lightning supercharger assembly) or twinscrew (Kenne Bell) supercharger will make a huge difference. The roots and twinscrews build boost off idle and very very fast.
If you want a turbo to improve towing, a small single turbo for faster spool up OR a twin turbo set up would help.
Of course, very low rear gears makes a huge difference, but if you go too low, you suffer at highway speeds.
Good luck!
Last edited by iron horse; Sep 21, 2004 at 11:35 AM.
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Thanks for your comments guys.
Next time I go shopping for a SC/TC I will do a lot more research and hopefully make better decisions.
I am not unhappy with this truck. It will flat go. I don't think I am seeing all of the HP it can give me. In second gear pulls at WOT it hit 306RWHP @ 4500 RPM and 359 FT LBS torque @ 4000 RPM.
Not quite the 65% gain that ATI claims to deliver.
Bob
Next time I go shopping for a SC/TC I will do a lot more research and hopefully make better decisions.
I am not unhappy with this truck. It will flat go. I don't think I am seeing all of the HP it can give me. In second gear pulls at WOT it hit 306RWHP @ 4500 RPM and 359 FT LBS torque @ 4000 RPM.
Not quite the 65% gain that ATI claims to deliver.
Bob
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I don't know. The dynamometer is at roughly 5300' above sea level and we live at 8100' above sea level.
Certainly can make a difference.
This would mean approximately a 16% loss of power due to altitude. If that's the case the SC is giving me the increase as advertised.
Bob
Certainly can make a difference.
This would mean approximately a 16% loss of power due to altitude. If that's the case the SC is giving me the increase as advertised.
Bob
Last edited by rgerlofs; Sep 21, 2004 at 02:19 PM.