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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 05:43 PM
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President Busch could have Homer Simpson as his VP and still beat Kerry and Edwards
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
One must also remember that McCain is against the First Amendment rights of all citizens. He and Goldberg (I believe, could have the wrong guy) sponsored a bill and got it passed which LIMITS the peoples right which is SUPPOSE to be guaranteed with the First Amendment:

i believe you mean Russ Feingold. The McCain-Feingold Act for Campaign Finance Reform was a moderate attempt at changing the way people buy government. it didn't change everything, but it made a nice little dent.

i can't agree that campaign finance is a form of freedom of speech. that's like saying tax evasion is freedom of speech. how you spend your money is not speech IMHO. those donors can take their own cash and run political advertisements if they want, but they can't dump $100,000 into any candidates campaign fund. i think that's the right way to do it.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 06:27 PM
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I want to know why BeanHeads post counter always says 1.
Posts made in General Discussion are not tallied by the counter.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by BrewMaster
i believe you mean Russ Feingold. The McCain-Feingold Act for Campaign Finance Reform was a moderate attempt at changing the way people buy government. it didn't change everything, but it made a nice little dent.

i can't agree that campaign finance is a form of freedom of speech. that's like saying tax evasion is freedom of speech. how you spend your money is not speech IMHO. those donors can take their own cash and run political advertisements if they want, but they can't dump $100,000 into any candidates campaign fund. i think that's the right way to do it.
I stand corrected, I wasn’t sure what the other guys name was and it is Feingold. I would respectfully submit that campaign finance reform is abridging the First Amendment with respect to freedom of speech.

Anytime you dictate to someone what they can and can not say, specifically in regards to anyone serving in government or running for an office you are indeed abridging their RIGHT to freedom of speech…

If you had 5,000 people all contribute $10 for a total of $50,000 and used it to run a commercial in the wrong time frame as outlined by the Campaign Finance Reform Act you could find yourself in jail and/or shorted a good amount of cash.

Now I absolutely agree with you that there needs to be some way to get all this big money out of elections and that goes for both sides, democrats are just as rich and wealthy as republicans and both parties take in a ton of cash for Lobbyist, such as big business, unions, teacher union etc.

However this Campaign Finance Reform Act is in direct conflict with the First Amendment.

Freedom of speech in print and media is just that, to say what ever you wish to say and when you restrict that right, specifically any speech towards the government you begin to whittle away at some of the most basic principles this country was founded on.

Tax evasion is not freedom of speech in any manner however one could argue that some taxes are un-constitutional.

I do not see how anyone could disagree that this Act is not an attempt to change the First Amendment and the citizens right to speak out against their government…
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 07:28 PM
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...What do YOU think Raoul?
Why, thanks for asking.
I think it don't matter.

Since 01 XLT Sport has chosen this thread to draw a line in the sand...
Let’s not forget that Kerry and Edwards are DOA, yep you heard it from me first they are DOA, just wasting a lot of good money for nothing because they are not going to win anything except “maybe” a nice door prize.
I will accept that challenge and call the election, today.
Sorry boys, get used to it, it's going to be President Kerry taking up residence in the White House come January.

Look at the bright side, we all know Bush has a Ford Superduty to handle the move.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 08:32 PM
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Does anyone really think that the 1st and 4th ranking liberals in the Senate have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming President and VP of the United States? These guys are being thrown to the wolves. Edwards hasn't even turned a full term in Congress yet; and, Kerry thinks he can say anything today and distance himself from it with a denial tomorrow. He's no Slick Willie. This thing is gonna look close until Election Morning; but, it's never actually gonna be close.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 09:07 PM
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Kerry’s poor voting record is will be his downfall. To be President you have to be consistent, Kerry’s not, he’s all over the place. You have to be strong on defense Kerry’s not, and has the voting record to prove it.

RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie On Sen. John Kerry’s Defense And Intelligence Record:
“What he’s not proud of, apparently, is his votes in the United States Senate when it comes to national security policy: votes against the Apache helicopter, votes against the Stealth bomber … He voted against the first Gulf War in 1991. Those are legitimate, public policy issues. I can cite chapter and verse in the congressional record of his statements on the Senate floor of the votes he has cast. He offered an amendment to cut $1 1/2 billion from our intelligence funds at a time we were engaged and--and needed to be engaged in serious intelligence work relative to the war against terror, a $300 million cut the year before the USS Cole was attacked, a $300 million cut the year before the embassies in East Africa were attacked, a $300 million cut the year before the Khobar Towers were attacked by the terrorists, two years after the first attack on the World Trade Center. That’s legitimate discourse and I can cite documentation.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 2/22/04)

Gov. Mark Racicot On Sen. John Kerry’s Defense And Intelligence Record:
“Your proposals and votes as a Senator should be known to the voters as they evaluate the candidates, including: your proposal to cut intelligence spending by $1.5 billion for the five years prior to 2001 (S. 1290, Introduced 9/29/95), your 1996 proposal to cut defense spending by $6.5 billion (S. 1580, Introduced 2/29/96), and your support for canceling or cutting funding for the B-2 Stealth Bomber, the B-1B, the F-15, the F-16, the M1 Abrams, the Patriot Missile, the AH-64 Apache Helicopter, the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, and the Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser. (Brian C. Mooney, “Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One,” The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)”


These are just two examples of many. Kerry and Edwards won’t cut the mustard keeping the USA secure.

Kerry's Voting Record
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Odin's Wrath
Does anyone really think that the 1st and 4th ranking liberals in the Senate have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming President and VP of the United States?...
I really believe Kerry will win big.
This will help new administration push their policy changes through.

Kerry will have a man date.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 10:13 PM
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I don't think so, no man date here



 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Raoul
Kerry will have a man date.

I'm betting he already has. He and Edwards seem to be getting very close.


 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 10:17 PM
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Re: Should Bush dump Cheney?

no.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 10:31 PM
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'Man date'

You know I have to set you guys up because I like you and feel sorry for you at the same time.

I hope these childish antics will cease when Senator Kerry becomes Commander-in-Chief.

The Senate committee on intelligence report came out today.
It's over, it's so over.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2004 | 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by Raoul

It's over, it's so over.

Practice that. You'll be needing it later. Add a couple of sniffs and sobs to get a good feel for it as well.
 
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