Macs vs PCs
I've always heard that Mac's were better than PC's for most of those things he mentioned. We have several Mac owners on this site.
I HATE freaking dialup! It played for about 5-6 seconds and then stopped for 5-6 seconds the whole way through.
I HATE freaking dialup! It played for about 5-6 seconds and then stopped for 5-6 seconds the whole way through.
Prior to Mac OSX the system arhcitecture was sound, however, the idiots that wrote the OS, wrote it with Pre-Emptive Multi-tasking (Ever notice when using Mac of OS 9.xxxxx flavor how an application, such as netscape or explorer, will lock up the whole system until it loads) as opposed to cooperative multi-tasking, thus, failing to exploit the potential of RISC processor. Not to mention no console, wtf???
Mac OSX, nice fisher price GUI, built on top of Mac implementation of BSD, nothing originnal, but at least built on top of a sound kernel...
I'm Software Engineer, I've found in my business only people using MAC's are anti-establishment types, media, artists, LIBERALS, hippies and such...
Agree, big overpriced hunk of garbage.....
Mac OSX, nice fisher price GUI, built on top of Mac implementation of BSD, nothing originnal, but at least built on top of a sound kernel...
I'm Software Engineer, I've found in my business only people using MAC's are anti-establishment types, media, artists, LIBERALS, hippies and such...
Agree, big overpriced hunk of garbage.....
Originally posted by bandit_193
Prior to Mac OSX the system arhcitecture was sound, however, the idiots that wrote the OS, wrote it with Pre-Emptive Multi-tasking (Ever notice when using Mac of OS 9.xxxxx flavor how an application, such as netscape or explorer, will lock up the whole system until it loads) as opposed to cooperative multi-tasking, thus, failing to exploit the potential of RISC processor. Not to mention no console, wtf???
Mac OSX, nice fisher price GUI, built on top of Mac implementation of BSD, nothing originnal, but at least built on top of a sound kernel...
I'm Software Engineer, I've found in my business only people using MAC's are anti-establishment types, media, artists, LIBERALS, hippies and such...
Agree, big overpriced hunk of garbage.....
Prior to Mac OSX the system arhcitecture was sound, however, the idiots that wrote the OS, wrote it with Pre-Emptive Multi-tasking (Ever notice when using Mac of OS 9.xxxxx flavor how an application, such as netscape or explorer, will lock up the whole system until it loads) as opposed to cooperative multi-tasking, thus, failing to exploit the potential of RISC processor. Not to mention no console, wtf???
Mac OSX, nice fisher price GUI, built on top of Mac implementation of BSD, nothing originnal, but at least built on top of a sound kernel...
I'm Software Engineer, I've found in my business only people using MAC's are anti-establishment types, media, artists, LIBERALS, hippies and such...
Agree, big overpriced hunk of garbage.....
I guess we could go point by point, but better just to say:
Open your mind to change, just a smidgen. I spent 10 years working with PC's, mostly IBM and Compaq in a Novell environment (from 2.X on up). Then the job changed and forced me to include Mac's back in the late 70's early 80's, Apple IIe's, etc. Took me till about 5 years ago to really appreciated the easy of use, lack of freezing, simplistic troubleshooting, etc. Not to mention the benefits of using a Mac in the Web.
I could set up a training lab of 20 Macs in half the time of a similar lab of Compaq's, with equal accessibility, and less problems to force a return visit.
Use what you want, enjoy it. But don't knock the other guys tools, he ain't holdin' a gun to your head to use his stuff.
By the way, your analysis of Mac users doesn't leave much room for me. Although Hippie might have fit back in the 60's for a short while.
FYI: I have both a Mac running OS X and a Dell laptop, couldn't do without either of them.
A lot of scientists like the Macs too, god knows why, thats how i got stuck using one for work (microbiological research lab), but all our useful equipment runs on good old PCs. I guess if you spend your formative computer years (college for me) on PCs you have a hard time dealing with Macs, stuff just does not make sense. I really don't understand people paying as much more for macs as they do. I will say that having the mac at work, it's a lot less senestive to all the worms and viruses that go around, but i'm sure it is only a matter of time until someone starts writing stuff to destroy a Mac as fast as a PC. We do have some anti -establishment types around here that would probably buy an old shoe as long as it said Mac on it as a status symbol (like a ridicuously expensive ipod that they can't even come close to filling up...).
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The Mac v. PC argument is like religion or politics or Ford vs Chevy….it’s between ardent supporters who will not consider the others platform regardless of…well, regardless of anything.
Does a Geo Metro do everything a Mercedes will do? Yup...ultimately they are both vehicles that get you from point A to point B...Can you make a case why each is "better"? Yup. Are both drivers driving the "better" vehicle? Yup. All depends on how you look at it and what you want from your "vehicle"/"computer".
Each platform has its weaknesses and strengths. The Mac shines with video (editing, compositing, illustration, etc.) Can you do all these on windows machines? Of course you can.
The windows machines shine on everything else.
I used to be a Mac Zealot and automatically thought anything windows was stupid. I always had Window 3 in mind, and Windows 95 and 98 weren’t much better. But when PCs started to blow the Mac away BIG TIME in terms of speed, and then XP came out, I switched to PCs.
Say what you want, but the Mac was always easier to use and Microsoft has repeatedly tried to be more Mac like. XP finally succeeded where previous versions of windows did not. And to be honest, I think OS 9 was more user friendly than OS X. But this is also determined by what you learned on and are familiar with. My first computer experience was on a Mac. Having been so familiar with it Windows seemd "odd". The same is true for people who started with windows...to them the Mac interface was odd. The problem comes in when people mistake "different" for "stupid". When I switched to PCs I was forever frustrated with how things were done inthe PC environment....until I got used to them. What I used to think was "stupid" I found to be quite useful once I got used to it. When OS X came out I felt it was "stupid"....again...until I started using it. Once you get used to each, you find that they do things the way they do for a reason...not stupid, jsut different. Neither really any better or worse thanthe other.
However…with the G5s with dual processors, OS X Panther, and the fact that many things are still easier to implement in OS X, the Mac is still an attractive machine, and they are fast.
(example: a friend of mine also has mac and pc desktop machines. We tried setting up video conferencing (tried a couple of different times with two different software programs and with aol’s video conferencing program) and all times proved to be problematic and did not work well. Then we tried it on the macs using ichat. Set up quickly, easily, and worked beautifully first time. This has also proven the same with networking…lots of things are easier to set upand use on the Mac…and it works.)
At home I have a PC desktop, a Tablet PC (useless) and a Mac PowerBook. I’ll be getting a Dual Proc G5 with 23”HD Cinema Display soon, strictly as a graphics machine (it’s worth buying for the monitor alone…nothing comes close to that monitor).

As for crashing…my pc running XP has crashed a few times, my Mac with OS X has crashed once. The pc was light years ahead of the Mac with regard to running multiple programs at once, dual processor support, and speed…but not anymore.
As for the comment of the Mac having the Fisher-Price user interface…uh…unless you missed it, XP was based on Fisher-Price, as evidenced here:

In fact, when Microsoft was designing the interface, they heavily studied Fisher-Price and used a lot of its design in coming up with the interface so that it would be familiar to users and have an "easy-to-use-friendly" feel, so it's funny you should mention Fisher-Price...
OS X is much more elegant that XP, and it's hardly what I’d call “Fisher-Price” Granted, the Mac is pure eye-candy (and it comes at expense of being processing power intensive) but that’s part of the Mac “experience”.
Both are fine platforms…I own and use both. If it’s video, graphics, art stuff…MAC all the way. General business, databases, that kind of stuff….PCs.
Style is everything attitude, don’t care about cost….MAC
No nonsense, cheap, get the job done…PC
Both are great...buy what you are happiest with. Let others enjoy their machine.
Does a Geo Metro do everything a Mercedes will do? Yup...ultimately they are both vehicles that get you from point A to point B...Can you make a case why each is "better"? Yup. Are both drivers driving the "better" vehicle? Yup. All depends on how you look at it and what you want from your "vehicle"/"computer".
Each platform has its weaknesses and strengths. The Mac shines with video (editing, compositing, illustration, etc.) Can you do all these on windows machines? Of course you can.
The windows machines shine on everything else.
I used to be a Mac Zealot and automatically thought anything windows was stupid. I always had Window 3 in mind, and Windows 95 and 98 weren’t much better. But when PCs started to blow the Mac away BIG TIME in terms of speed, and then XP came out, I switched to PCs.
Say what you want, but the Mac was always easier to use and Microsoft has repeatedly tried to be more Mac like. XP finally succeeded where previous versions of windows did not. And to be honest, I think OS 9 was more user friendly than OS X. But this is also determined by what you learned on and are familiar with. My first computer experience was on a Mac. Having been so familiar with it Windows seemd "odd". The same is true for people who started with windows...to them the Mac interface was odd. The problem comes in when people mistake "different" for "stupid". When I switched to PCs I was forever frustrated with how things were done inthe PC environment....until I got used to them. What I used to think was "stupid" I found to be quite useful once I got used to it. When OS X came out I felt it was "stupid"....again...until I started using it. Once you get used to each, you find that they do things the way they do for a reason...not stupid, jsut different. Neither really any better or worse thanthe other.
However…with the G5s with dual processors, OS X Panther, and the fact that many things are still easier to implement in OS X, the Mac is still an attractive machine, and they are fast.
(example: a friend of mine also has mac and pc desktop machines. We tried setting up video conferencing (tried a couple of different times with two different software programs and with aol’s video conferencing program) and all times proved to be problematic and did not work well. Then we tried it on the macs using ichat. Set up quickly, easily, and worked beautifully first time. This has also proven the same with networking…lots of things are easier to set upand use on the Mac…and it works.)
At home I have a PC desktop, a Tablet PC (useless) and a Mac PowerBook. I’ll be getting a Dual Proc G5 with 23”HD Cinema Display soon, strictly as a graphics machine (it’s worth buying for the monitor alone…nothing comes close to that monitor).

As for crashing…my pc running XP has crashed a few times, my Mac with OS X has crashed once. The pc was light years ahead of the Mac with regard to running multiple programs at once, dual processor support, and speed…but not anymore.
As for the comment of the Mac having the Fisher-Price user interface…uh…unless you missed it, XP was based on Fisher-Price, as evidenced here:

In fact, when Microsoft was designing the interface, they heavily studied Fisher-Price and used a lot of its design in coming up with the interface so that it would be familiar to users and have an "easy-to-use-friendly" feel, so it's funny you should mention Fisher-Price...
OS X is much more elegant that XP, and it's hardly what I’d call “Fisher-Price” Granted, the Mac is pure eye-candy (and it comes at expense of being processing power intensive) but that’s part of the Mac “experience”.
Both are fine platforms…I own and use both. If it’s video, graphics, art stuff…MAC all the way. General business, databases, that kind of stuff….PCs.
Style is everything attitude, don’t care about cost….MAC
No nonsense, cheap, get the job done…PC
Both are great...buy what you are happiest with. Let others enjoy their machine.
Last edited by kobiashi; Apr 6, 2004 at 04:56 PM.
kobiashi, you summed it up perfectly. Ive used Pc's all my life, always had wanted to try mac. got into college, and went out and bought one the new 17" g4 powerpooks. Blows any PC laptop away. nice and thin, elegantly designed, every time i open it up at school students turn and stare at it. It really beatuiful.
its funny too. at school, the whole campus is on an 802.11b/g Wireless LAN using PC computers and hardware for the portals, etc. Like 80% of the students with laptops had to go out and buy wireless adapters, then sit and screw with the drivers to try to make the wireless work, and half still dont. I just opened my laptop up, a window popped up saying it found a wirless network(built in wireless, no external ugly antennas), asked for my student ID and password, and bam. the internet. worked the first time, and everytime. im also on wireless at my friends house who does not use a mac, and here at my house, pulling off a wireless bridge in the study. so, yes, they are compatible
oh, and one more thing, im only liberal in the sense of how much ammo i use. thats the most uneducated, foolish assumption you can base someone off of just because of the OS they run.
its funny too. at school, the whole campus is on an 802.11b/g Wireless LAN using PC computers and hardware for the portals, etc. Like 80% of the students with laptops had to go out and buy wireless adapters, then sit and screw with the drivers to try to make the wireless work, and half still dont. I just opened my laptop up, a window popped up saying it found a wirless network(built in wireless, no external ugly antennas), asked for my student ID and password, and bam. the internet. worked the first time, and everytime. im also on wireless at my friends house who does not use a mac, and here at my house, pulling off a wireless bridge in the study. so, yes, they are compatible
oh, and one more thing, im only liberal in the sense of how much ammo i use. thats the most uneducated, foolish assumption you can base someone off of just because of the OS they run.
Last edited by DarkShadow03; Apr 6, 2004 at 06:01 PM.
I've used Many platforms extensively, MAC 0S9.xxx, OSX, Win2k, DEC, ALPHA, BSD, Slackware, Mandrake, Redhat, Sparc.....You get the picture. So I would say my exposure to different platforms is pretty heavy.
You think Macs don't lock up, you've obviously never made a MAC do any real work, I've had as many/more failures on MAC's with Hung applications as I ever have on a Windows box.
My opinion of Mac prior to OSX will not change. Plain and simple, it was a crummy OS implementation on a superior system architecture. The folks that wrote the OS chose to overlook the importance of pipelining the processor usage. Which made me like even windows over a MAC. Even MS provided users with a console.....
Post OSX is a very capable machine, just not for me. I'm primarily, Slackware, Redhat, Win2k(running Cygwin), but Im a nerd so interfaces are of little importance to me beyond IDE's
All Desktops look fisher price.....
Let me qualify, I was a programmer at a newspaper for 3 years, they used nothing but MAC's throughout the entire institution. Every last one of the 400 employees, xcept for me, anti-establishment, liberal, hippy, artsy.....If your not intuitive enough to dissassociate yourselve with a generalization, im sorry.
You think Macs don't lock up, you've obviously never made a MAC do any real work, I've had as many/more failures on MAC's with Hung applications as I ever have on a Windows box.
My opinion of Mac prior to OSX will not change. Plain and simple, it was a crummy OS implementation on a superior system architecture. The folks that wrote the OS chose to overlook the importance of pipelining the processor usage. Which made me like even windows over a MAC. Even MS provided users with a console.....
Post OSX is a very capable machine, just not for me. I'm primarily, Slackware, Redhat, Win2k(running Cygwin), but Im a nerd so interfaces are of little importance to me beyond IDE's
All Desktops look fisher price.....
oh, and one more thing, im only liberal in the sense of how much ammo i use. thats the most uneducated, foolish assumption you can base someone off of just because of the OS they run
Last edited by bandit_193; Apr 6, 2004 at 06:11 PM.
Hey people, quit analising it, and get a sense of humor!!!!
I woulda posted the same thing if a guy was bi!chin about a PC and it was funny ok?
Sheesh!
In retrospect: I didn't know what to title this thread, so I just made sumptin up. It wasn't really suposed to be a discusion about PC's vs Mac's, and theorys on what types of people use them.
If you read this thread and saw the video, whatever you used worked eh? Now get over it already and laugh !!!!
I woulda posted the same thing if a guy was bi!chin about a PC and it was funny ok?
Sheesh!
In retrospect: I didn't know what to title this thread, so I just made sumptin up. It wasn't really suposed to be a discusion about PC's vs Mac's, and theorys on what types of people use them.
If you read this thread and saw the video, whatever you used worked eh? Now get over it already and laugh !!!!
Last edited by Andthensometoo; Apr 6, 2004 at 07:21 PM.
Only people who are new to a board would be foolish enough to open themselves to controversy with one of their first posts. If they had any people skills at all they would get a "feel" for the general drift of the topics prior to making statements regarding the personality, political leanings, etc. of the members based on their choice of computers.
Oops, I meant...... be intuitive and exclude yourself from the above generalization.
Case closed, welcome to the boards!
Nice job ATST, the vid was funny, the resulting posts even funnier!
Oops, I meant...... be intuitive and exclude yourself from the above generalization.
Case closed, welcome to the boards!
Nice job ATST, the vid was funny, the resulting posts even funnier!
I'm going with Macs on this one. They seem to be faster and at work (internet tech support), I take both PC and Mac calls, and I get 1 Mac that something has just gone wrong on for every 9 PCs. That's quite a difference in performance to me, because if I were rating computers, I would rate them according to how they perform on the internet.






