And there's hydrogen, too. They're still developing this, but they do have cars on the road that are propelled by hydrogen stacks already.

 

Yes hydrogen is clean burning, but it has to be produced. Which in most cases is done using natural gas. Again a fossil fuel.
As for biodiesel and other replacement fuels for fossil fuels, you still have pollution. Lessened, but you still have it. Something that does not occur with hydro, solar, or wind power. As there is no fusion reactors supplying power yet, we can't say for certain that there wouldn't be a problem with them

 

Kingfish--

From what I have heard the actual growing of the vegtables is not the problem the problem lies in the distrobution system. How many farmers are paid by the gov't not to grow anything. The report I head stated, if all of these farmers started growing to supply fuel it would increase the number of productive farms.

I don't think the biodiesel is a replace all but it would reduce the reliance on foriegn foseil fuels until a suitable technology replacement can be developed.

 

Yes, but if there was a good/non-corruptable distribution system, then those farmers could grow food that could be used in countries that don't have enough.

 

But Raoul, you're part of the problem. Do you really 'need' to drive a gas guzzling truck?

Actually I'm being sarcastic. But most Democrats would rather us be driving Echos and Civics. And there would be many more deaths on our roadways. Take a look at what our representatives drive. They aren't small cars, I can assure you of that.

 

Frank S, just part of the original point I was trying to make. The democrats keep saying they are for the little guy, poor and middle income. But every time they add to the taxes, it is the lttle guy that gets screwed. Who would a 50 cent gas tax hike hurt the most. It certainly wouldn't be Donald Trump. It would be you and me.
Maryland is now looking into either allowing slots or raising the states sales tax. Guess which one the democrats want. Slots would affect mostly those who could afford it or want to spend their money that way. Even come in from other states. The sales tax would affect everything we buy, both rich, poor and everyone in between.

 

As of right now, you're right, this is the main way of doing it (extracting hydrogen from FF's). However, there are other ways...

The whole concept of hydrogen power is something along the lines of turning hydrogen and oxygen into water, and in the process stripping off an electron, which is what makes the electricity (power).

You can do the same thing in reverse using any source of power you'd like, including wind, solar, wave, tidal, thermal, whatever. Take water, split it up using electricity that's produced with revewable resources, bottle the hydrogen, put it in a car, and put the water back together, releasing the electrons.

It's more complicated than that, but it's possible. They just don't have the processes and infrastructure in place yet. Give it 10 years, and they'll be all over it.

 

This doesn't really solve any problems, it still takes the same amount of energy to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The energy still comes from nuclear/fossil fuels/solar/etc.

Grim

 

That same show about the biodiesel had a segment about the hydrogen run cars. Basically they were saying that if you had to pay to break up the hydrogen molecule then it is way too expensive, but if you could use a "free" energy source like solar, or wind then it brings the cost down to where it is relatively cheap. It said free because basically once the system is built then it the cost is for maintenance of the system not fuel.