Anyone know a liberal
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Most people who are conservative are not afraid to admit it and are damn proud of the title.
Most people who are conservative are not afraid to admit it and are damn proud of the title.
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Well, most people who are a “liberal” are afraid to admit it, like it’s a nasty name. Most people who are conservative are not afraid to admit it and are damn proud of the title.
I agree, there is not an absolute black and white, easy way of “classifying” a person as one or the other or any other label. I don’t believe in independents or moderates, they are “basically” the type of people who wait around and see what the majority of people think and usually fall in line with that. If it happens to be conservative then so be it, if it happens to be liberal then so be it and they keep their title of independent or moderate when in fact they usually have a very hard time stating their own opinion until they see where the majority is. Kind of like high school, whatever all the cool kids think is cool the independents and moderates thinks is cool.
Liberals, there pretty easy to point out, there basically that high school kid that is rebellion against anything that most the other people like or thinks makes sense. If the majority of people like Big Mac’s then the liberals come in and make up problems of why it’s no good for you. If people like going camping, then the liberal comes in and plant some fur from a rare animal that has never been in that forest and then go to court to have everybody ordered out of there because a stupid frog or bird might be harmed.
In other words if it “rarely” makes any sense and someone is spouting it, there a liberal…
Now, just because someone happens to spend a chit load of money does not make him liberal. It depends on what he is spending that chit load of money on. If it is the military that is specifically mentioned in the United States Constitution that is damn right conservative. Same thing goes for anything related to national security be it at home or away. If it is some kind of give-a-way program to someone that COULD do it on their own but they chose not to then it’s a liberal thing.
For example, the senior FREE DRUGS for all program, is a little conservative and a CHIT LOAD liberal spending program. I am against it because there is no need for it at all.
There may be a need for some seniors but it should have some qualifications involved namely, annual income. If a senior has an annual income of say $60,000 a year then NO FREE DRUGS for them. If it is a senior that is ONLY on social security then I can see some kind of program for them to a point, not viagra (sp?) ONLY things that are required for good health, not a major sex life…
Conservatives for the most part can bring across their views with good logic, good thought process behind it. Does not mean people will always agree with it, but rarely do you hear a conservative bash a liberal WITHOUT offering a solution of their own first or after the bashing.
Liberals on the other hand very rarely have any kind of logical thought process and very rarely offer any kind of solution, even goofy solution, they usually just bash and laugh.
I am not a 100% Bush supporter, maybe 70% or a bit more. I think he has done a lot more good for this country then bad. Has the man made mistakes? You bet he has, however for those that hate Bush with a passion I can only have respect for you if you offer some kind of solution to what you think is wrong. If you have no solution but bash and laugh you make yourself look mentally weak and useless to society…
It’s not grade school no more where you can just call names and run home to mommy after the bell rings. It’s the real world and the only ones that matter are those that have ideas and solutions to offer. Now and then you have a liberal come up with something worth talking about, but not often.
As for those I have come across here there is really not many if any “real” liberals. There might be a few that fly by once in a great while to do a “post drive by” but many of you I have disagreed with over time I have the utmost respect for because usually you have something very valid to offer.
I do get tired of the “links” and I have said many of times that usually most links are nothing more then propaganda for what ever side and that is why I rarely post links. I know for every “conservative” link I post there is another “liberal” link that will completely mirror it with the opposite…
I have more respect for those that try to present their own opinion and reasons why they have them then simple say, “Here is the link”
Raoul and I agree a lot, you all might not know that, but he agrees with me A LOT
Anyway, if you’re truly a liberal no need to feel shame, be proud of your goofy past and leaders…
Well, most people who are a “liberal” are afraid to admit it, like it’s a nasty name. Most people who are conservative are not afraid to admit it and are damn proud of the title.
I agree, there is not an absolute black and white, easy way of “classifying” a person as one or the other or any other label. I don’t believe in independents or moderates, they are “basically” the type of people who wait around and see what the majority of people think and usually fall in line with that. If it happens to be conservative then so be it, if it happens to be liberal then so be it and they keep their title of independent or moderate when in fact they usually have a very hard time stating their own opinion until they see where the majority is. Kind of like high school, whatever all the cool kids think is cool the independents and moderates thinks is cool.
Liberals, there pretty easy to point out, there basically that high school kid that is rebellion against anything that most the other people like or thinks makes sense. If the majority of people like Big Mac’s then the liberals come in and make up problems of why it’s no good for you. If people like going camping, then the liberal comes in and plant some fur from a rare animal that has never been in that forest and then go to court to have everybody ordered out of there because a stupid frog or bird might be harmed.
In other words if it “rarely” makes any sense and someone is spouting it, there a liberal…
Now, just because someone happens to spend a chit load of money does not make him liberal. It depends on what he is spending that chit load of money on. If it is the military that is specifically mentioned in the United States Constitution that is damn right conservative. Same thing goes for anything related to national security be it at home or away. If it is some kind of give-a-way program to someone that COULD do it on their own but they chose not to then it’s a liberal thing.
For example, the senior FREE DRUGS for all program, is a little conservative and a CHIT LOAD liberal spending program. I am against it because there is no need for it at all.
There may be a need for some seniors but it should have some qualifications involved namely, annual income. If a senior has an annual income of say $60,000 a year then NO FREE DRUGS for them. If it is a senior that is ONLY on social security then I can see some kind of program for them to a point, not viagra (sp?) ONLY things that are required for good health, not a major sex life…
Conservatives for the most part can bring across their views with good logic, good thought process behind it. Does not mean people will always agree with it, but rarely do you hear a conservative bash a liberal WITHOUT offering a solution of their own first or after the bashing.
Liberals on the other hand very rarely have any kind of logical thought process and very rarely offer any kind of solution, even goofy solution, they usually just bash and laugh.
I am not a 100% Bush supporter, maybe 70% or a bit more. I think he has done a lot more good for this country then bad. Has the man made mistakes? You bet he has, however for those that hate Bush with a passion I can only have respect for you if you offer some kind of solution to what you think is wrong. If you have no solution but bash and laugh you make yourself look mentally weak and useless to society…
It’s not grade school no more where you can just call names and run home to mommy after the bell rings. It’s the real world and the only ones that matter are those that have ideas and solutions to offer. Now and then you have a liberal come up with something worth talking about, but not often.
As for those I have come across here there is really not many if any “real” liberals. There might be a few that fly by once in a great while to do a “post drive by” but many of you I have disagreed with over time I have the utmost respect for because usually you have something very valid to offer.
I do get tired of the “links” and I have said many of times that usually most links are nothing more then propaganda for what ever side and that is why I rarely post links. I know for every “conservative” link I post there is another “liberal” link that will completely mirror it with the opposite…
I have more respect for those that try to present their own opinion and reasons why they have them then simple say, “Here is the link”
Raoul and I agree a lot, you all might not know that, but he agrees with me A LOT
Anyway, if you’re truly a liberal no need to feel shame, be proud of your goofy past and leaders…
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Originally posted by Raoul
Who would raise their hand and say "Me...Me!"?
They are the radical fringe. Gays, Tree-huggers, SUV paint sprayers, Hollywood, pro-drug, secular...etc, etc...
Just about everyone with any sense wants to stay to the Right of that pit.
But, argue with a Conservative and into the pit you go.
Who would raise their hand and say "Me...Me!"?
They are the radical fringe. Gays, Tree-huggers, SUV paint sprayers, Hollywood, pro-drug, secular...etc, etc...
Just about everyone with any sense wants to stay to the Right of that pit.
But, argue with a Conservative and into the pit you go.
There are degrees of liberalism, just as there are degrees of conservatism. You can be liberal on one issue and conservative on another. The more issues you take a liberal stance upon, the further left you are. If you can't make up your mind where you stand, you're a moderate.
Progressive is the new catchword for liberals. I've noticed that even Ted Kennedy has a foul reaction to being called a liberal. It won't be much longer before calling someone a liberal will get you labeled a bigot or racist. You may even be charged for a hate crime.
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Originally posted by BrewMaster
from my experiencen they also tend to be arrogant know-it-alls. they tend not to listen but instead slam their beliefs down as truth. but this is just my experience, not necessarily the norm for all conservatives. for their sake, I hope it is not the norm.
from my experiencen they also tend to be arrogant know-it-alls. they tend not to listen but instead slam their beliefs down as truth. but this is just my experience, not necessarily the norm for all conservatives. for their sake, I hope it is not the norm.
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Originally posted by Odin's Wrath
Sounds like any extremist, or blind follower of the party line. Either liberal or conservative.
Sounds like any extremist, or blind follower of the party line. Either liberal or conservative.
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perhaps the reason people don't call themselves "liberals" is that whenever someone disagrees with you Flat Earthers, you go on the attack like a pack of pit bulls, call them a bunch of "wussy wimp liberals" (your words not mine) and blame all the woes of the world on them. You Flat Earthers seem to think your views are the only legitimate ones and refuse to consider any other opinion.
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Originally posted by arrbilly
perhaps the reason people don't call themselves "liberals" is that whenever someone disagrees with you Flat Earthers, you go on the attack like a pack of pit bulls, call them a bunch of "wussy wimp liberals" (your words not mine) and blame all the woes of the world on them. You Flat Earthers seem to think your views are the only legitimate ones and refuse to consider any other opinion.
perhaps the reason people don't call themselves "liberals" is that whenever someone disagrees with you Flat Earthers, you go on the attack like a pack of pit bulls, call them a bunch of "wussy wimp liberals" (your words not mine) and blame all the woes of the world on them. You Flat Earthers seem to think your views are the only legitimate ones and refuse to consider any other opinion.
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Originally posted by arrbilly
perhaps the reason people don't call themselves "liberals" is that whenever someone disagrees with you Flat Earthers, you go on the attack like a pack of pit bulls, call them a bunch of "wussy wimp liberals" (your words not mine) and blame all the woes of the world on them. You Flat Earthers seem to think your views are the only legitimate ones and refuse to consider any other opinion.
perhaps the reason people don't call themselves "liberals" is that whenever someone disagrees with you Flat Earthers, you go on the attack like a pack of pit bulls, call them a bunch of "wussy wimp liberals" (your words not mine) and blame all the woes of the world on them. You Flat Earthers seem to think your views are the only legitimate ones and refuse to consider any other opinion.
However, many problems are due in large part to "liberals" in general. They tend to be blind to real solutions and LOVE to throw "other" people's money at problems...
Liberal – “Buy a man a fish, feeds him for a day…”
Conservative – “Teach a man to fish, feeds him for a lifetime…”
That’s one of the differences and one of the problems. Liberals in general think it is cruel for someone to be taught to do something for himself or herself, or to practice “touch love” on someone.
I can tell you now if there was a hungry person today and liberals were standing around and I “suggested” to them “let’s teach this guy to fish” they would have a major heart attack and blast me for being so uncaring and unfeeling.
In California the liberal solution to homeless is to make a videotape that teaches them how to go through the trash dumpster to find eatable food. Not to mention how they think all supermarkets should GIVE the homeless people free cart’s to drag their things around in.
Why is it not more caring to teach these people some kind of skill to get them off the streets, so they can feed themselves and pay rent and leave the carts alone? Liberals have no real answer for that because, again generally speaking, for liberals its much easier to talk and throw “other” peoples money at a problem rather then looking for a good and logical solution which sometimes requires “touch love” in other words:
We will teach you a skill and get you a job paying minimum wage if you fail to take this job there will be no FREE food or FREE shelter for you, that’s a good logical solution while practicing “touch love” either you work or you go hungry, don’t matter to me I will give you the tools and if you refuse to use them, then oh well, so sad, when you get hungry enough you will use the tools…
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I think you have that a little backwards
Liberal: "Create a program to teach the guy how to fish to feed him for life"
Conservative: "Cut all Fishing programs because they cost too much money"..
On another note, not to be mushy or anything, I Do enjoy "debating" with you guys. Especially XLT. I too respect everyone's opinion and most of us are able to keep it at a "non-personal" level (ie. No calling each other stupid, etc.)
Liberal: "Create a program to teach the guy how to fish to feed him for life"
Conservative: "Cut all Fishing programs because they cost too much money"..
On another note, not to be mushy or anything, I Do enjoy "debating" with you guys. Especially XLT. I too respect everyone's opinion and most of us are able to keep it at a "non-personal" level (ie. No calling each other stupid, etc.)
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Originally posted by BHibbs
I think you have that a little backwards
Liberal: "Create a program to teach the guy how to fish to feed him for life"
Conservative: "Cut all Fishing programs because they cost too much money"..
I think you have that a little backwards
Liberal: "Create a program to teach the guy how to fish to feed him for life"
Conservative: "Cut all Fishing programs because they cost too much money"..
For example, if a liberal were to set up a program to teach a man to fish it would cost millions of dollars. They would have to fund all kinds of things and stuff some pockets full of cash. In the end and after million of dollars the man standing there ready to be taught how to fish would have an old bamboo poll with 6 foot of fish line and no bait and a 3” hook.
He would be placed in a restricted zone of a lake somewhere where he would find there is no fish to catch because the ones worth eating have been labeled “endangered”. Wouldn’t really matter since he only had 6 foot of line, no bait and a 3” hook…
Now, rather then looking at the situation and declaring it a failure and back to the drawing board you would hear screaming and crying about how the program needs more money. ”WE NEED MORE MONEY NOW!!!!”
Now, the conservative approach to this program would be quite simple. First they buy the actual equipment needed. Good fishing poll, bait, the right bait etc. Then they go about having the part of the lake where the eatable fish can be caught taken off the “endangered” list so people can fish for them and eat them with no worries…
Quite simple really, fish can not vote, they are useless and can easily be replenished. All this would happen at very low cost, much less then the millions the liberals were stuffing in their buddy’s pockets.
Now within a matter of weeks the man would know how to fish and fish proficiently that he can now catch what he needs to feed himself and family…
However, here is what you would hear on the evening news about the program:
”Fishing program a complete FAILURE!!!!!, tonight we have learned that a program has been put into place to FORCIBLY teach a man to fish. This is not right and inhumane because no adult should be forced to catch their own food.
Moreover we have learned that the man has been taught to fish in a restricted zone once declared “endangered”…
This is absolutely not right, now these poor endangered fish will be depleted and therefore a faster rate of global warming will occur. We have our specialist now informing us that by 2015 we will have average temperatures of over 180 degrees F in the summers, not to mention record cold winters with temps of – 80 degrees F and average snow fall of no less then 3 feet per week…
The conservatives are EVIL, they are inhumane, rape our earth of valuable resources and now the leading cause of global warming…
PLEASE STAND BY…
This just in:
Due to the above mentioned failed program we have been informed that gas prices at the pump will rise to well over $15 a gallon WE MUST STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE THEY ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!!!!
arrbilly This is the Readers Digest condensed version…
Originally posted by BHibbs
On another note, not to be mushy or anything, I Do enjoy "debating" with you guys. Especially XLT. I too respect everyone's opinion and most of us are able to keep it at a "non-personal" level (ie. No calling each other stupid, etc.)
On another note, not to be mushy or anything, I Do enjoy "debating" with you guys. Especially XLT. I too respect everyone's opinion and most of us are able to keep it at a "non-personal" level (ie. No calling each other stupid, etc.)
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From: Elverson, PA
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
I too enjoy debating…
I too enjoy debating…
I think you are the reigning F150online edurance debate champion.
It's all good. I enjoy reading the banter, and occasionally gain some new perspective.
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Originally posted by BHibbs
I think you have that a little backwards
Liberal: "Create a program to teach the guy how to fish to feed him for life"
Conservative: "Cut all Fishing programs because they cost too much money"..
I think you have that a little backwards
Liberal: "Create a program to teach the guy how to fish to feed him for life"
Conservative: "Cut all Fishing programs because they cost too much money"..
Yes building homeless shelters is a great idea. Do all homeless take advantage of it? Yeah. More than likely you will find those who call it home that way they can put down a address on an application, so they can get a job, and start helping with the US economy. Republicans on the other hand think homeless don't deserve handouts.
Personally, over all I'm happy with the way 01 XLT Bush, err I mean President Bush has run things. The main thing I do object to is the way he went to war about the imaginatory WMD. Several of my friends had debates about it when he first proposed this, and honestly they couldn't back up their fight. They said "Bush had photos of the WMD" then where are they now? Granted Saddam had broken the rules that was set forth to him. I do agree that we went in and smacked him around, because of the fact that he broke the rules. But to trick Americans into thinking that we would find WMD, was ludicrous.
I am pleased with the way Bush has increased the school systems funds, and also increased funds with NASA. Space exploration is a key to learning. Learning about earth, and who or what is out there. Key to learning about god, key to learning about totally radical things unconceviable to the average human mind.
Calling someone a 'Liberal' shouldn't be a bad thing. It should be a good thing. Liberals bring about change, and don't just run around with our heads cut off. Henry Ford himself introduce something new that was completely unheard of, an assembly line. If it wasn't for that, vehicles would still be made low class and take forever to make. Bill Gates, although most people don't agree with him being a 'Monolopy' I can bet you that the way we compute wouldn't be as easy and as wide spread as it is today. Hell look how rapid the computer age jumped with the introduction to Windows. Everyone has in some way copied what Bill Gates created.
Thank you liberals. Notice there wasn't any bashing of conservatives? Have an open mind about everthing, it's not so bad.
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Well, I have to disagree a bit. I agree that liberals LOVE creating programs and pumping all kinds of money into it for a lot of middle men to become fat cats. Problem with the liberal programs is very little money reaches where it needs to go.
For example, if a liberal were to set up a program to teach a man to fish it would cost millions of dollars. They would have to fund all kinds of things and stuff some pockets full of cash. In the end and after million of dollars the man standing there ready to be taught how to fish would have an old bamboo poll with 6 foot of fish line and no bait and a 3” hook.
He would be placed in a restricted zone of a lake somewhere where he would find there is no fish to catch because the ones worth eating have been labeled “endangered”. Wouldn’t really matter since he only had 6 foot of line, no bait and a 3” hook…
Now, rather then looking at the situation and declaring it a failure and back to the drawing board you would hear screaming and crying about how the program needs more money. ”WE NEED MORE MONEY NOW!!!!”
Now, the conservative approach to this program would be quite simple. First they buy the actual equipment needed. Good fishing poll, bait, the right bait etc. Then they go about having the part of the lake where the eatable fish can be caught taken off the “endangered” list so people can fish for them and eat them with no worries…
Quite simple really, fish can not vote, they are useless and can easily be replenished. All this would happen at very low cost, much less then the millions the liberals were stuffing in their buddy’s pockets.
Now within a matter of weeks the man would know how to fish and fish proficiently that he can now catch what he needs to feed himself and family…
However, here is what you would hear on the evening news about the program:
”Fishing program a complete FAILURE!!!!!, tonight we have learned that a program has been put into place to FORCIBLY teach a man to fish. This is not right and inhumane because no adult should be forced to catch their own food.
Moreover we have learned that the man has been taught to fish in a restricted zone once declared “endangered”…
This is absolutely not right, now these poor endangered fish will be depleted and therefore a faster rate of global warming will occur. We have our specialist now informing us that by 2015 we will have average temperatures of over 180 degrees F in the summers, not to mention record cold winters with temps of – 80 degrees F and average snow fall of no less then 3 feet per week…
The conservatives are EVIL, they are inhumane, rape our earth of valuable resources and now the leading cause of global warming…
PLEASE STAND BY…
This just in:
Due to the above mentioned failed program we have been informed that gas prices at the pump will rise to well over $15 a gallon WE MUST STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE THEY ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!!!!
arrbilly This is the Readers Digest condensed version…
I too enjoy debating…
Well, I have to disagree a bit. I agree that liberals LOVE creating programs and pumping all kinds of money into it for a lot of middle men to become fat cats. Problem with the liberal programs is very little money reaches where it needs to go.
For example, if a liberal were to set up a program to teach a man to fish it would cost millions of dollars. They would have to fund all kinds of things and stuff some pockets full of cash. In the end and after million of dollars the man standing there ready to be taught how to fish would have an old bamboo poll with 6 foot of fish line and no bait and a 3” hook.
He would be placed in a restricted zone of a lake somewhere where he would find there is no fish to catch because the ones worth eating have been labeled “endangered”. Wouldn’t really matter since he only had 6 foot of line, no bait and a 3” hook…
Now, rather then looking at the situation and declaring it a failure and back to the drawing board you would hear screaming and crying about how the program needs more money. ”WE NEED MORE MONEY NOW!!!!”
Now, the conservative approach to this program would be quite simple. First they buy the actual equipment needed. Good fishing poll, bait, the right bait etc. Then they go about having the part of the lake where the eatable fish can be caught taken off the “endangered” list so people can fish for them and eat them with no worries…
Quite simple really, fish can not vote, they are useless and can easily be replenished. All this would happen at very low cost, much less then the millions the liberals were stuffing in their buddy’s pockets.
Now within a matter of weeks the man would know how to fish and fish proficiently that he can now catch what he needs to feed himself and family…
However, here is what you would hear on the evening news about the program:
”Fishing program a complete FAILURE!!!!!, tonight we have learned that a program has been put into place to FORCIBLY teach a man to fish. This is not right and inhumane because no adult should be forced to catch their own food.
Moreover we have learned that the man has been taught to fish in a restricted zone once declared “endangered”…
This is absolutely not right, now these poor endangered fish will be depleted and therefore a faster rate of global warming will occur. We have our specialist now informing us that by 2015 we will have average temperatures of over 180 degrees F in the summers, not to mention record cold winters with temps of – 80 degrees F and average snow fall of no less then 3 feet per week…
The conservatives are EVIL, they are inhumane, rape our earth of valuable resources and now the leading cause of global warming…
PLEASE STAND BY…
This just in:
Due to the above mentioned failed program we have been informed that gas prices at the pump will rise to well over $15 a gallon WE MUST STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE THEY ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!!!!
arrbilly This is the Readers Digest condensed version…
I too enjoy debating…
"The conservatives are EVIL, they are inhumane, rape our earth of valuable resources"
Not always true, but mostly yes. Hell, why don't we just pave over everything on earth and build build build. Let's build smog emitting plants, let's kill every endangered animal, because hell, they'll grow back. Let's cut down every tree, oh wait we NEED those. Aww who cares, those smog emitting power plants will convert the co2 into oxygen for us. Damn our power plants are depleting the ozone layer, why not just build more plants that will fix that problem.