Question on Iraq?
We have to finish up with Iraq first, and then perhaps we can deal with Saudi Arabia and Iran.
In time my friend we will, there is only so many messes left by Clinton we can clean up at a particular time…
In time my friend we will, there is only so many messes left by Clinton we can clean up at a particular time…
We sold arms to Iran to support the Contra rebels. Sounds like something Clinton did.
We sold arms to Iraq to support them in their war against Iran. We gave Iraq weapons and made an enemy of Iran. I definitely remember Clinton doing this.
We trained and armed Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban. I am pretty sure Al Gore did this and not Clinton.
Let's not forget Noriega, Marcos, and so on.
-Don
Many of his programs were laying in wait until the heat was off so he could start them up again and one was nuclear weapons. He had hoped that the world would get tired of dealing with him and finally have to leave him alone.
Saddam got a good *** whooping over that one, but then he became very close with the French and Germans figured they were his buddies. And he did good by getting close to them paying them off, cheap oil to them, buying some of the military goodies and even some chemical goodies as well.
Libya was indeed a player, maybe not as big as Iraq, but a player nevertheless and they seen the light, when the man talks (President Bush) you had better listen or you might be in for the next *** whooping…
Absolutely they feel threaten, why else to you think they keep whining over America to sign a non-aggression act with them. They know damn well they could be next for a major *** whooping and want us to sign a useless paper saying we won’t whoop their ***.
The fact is we do want to attack North Korea and thus we won't sign the treaty. That's the reason for our stalemate now. Whether or not I agree with strong-arming North Korea isn't the issue. Just pointing out that the only people the DPRK has to fear are China and it's own citizens.
-Don
Originally posted by sirket
What you missed is the fact that we have been completely unsuccessful in curbing Saudi support for terrorism. So should we start planning the invasion?
-Don
What you missed is the fact that we have been completely unsuccessful in curbing Saudi support for terrorism. So should we start planning the invasion?
-Don
Unless we can persuade them to change their ways through diplomatic pressure, we are in a "no win" situation.
Damnned if you let them carry on and damnned if you go after them.
Let's just forget the rhetoric and I ask you again. What should we do?
Originally posted by sirket
We really should just abolish the UN. Then we could do whatever we want.
Yes, I agree. If the UN is just going to be a talking shop with nation states acting in their own interests (like Russia and France) then it deserves to go the way of the League of Nations.
Where are the chemical weapons he bought?
That's the whole point, isn't it? We know he had them because Rummy sold the damn things to him. He was supposed to hand over all information under the terms of UN1441. He didn't.
Only an idiot believes they can rule through fear. Every dictator is eventually toppled.
Are you calling Bush a dictator? He was elected (sort of) and there will be elections again this year. You could try and impeach him if you wanted to. Try that with a Stalin, Hitler or Saddam and see how well you do
They keep asking for it because we keep demanding they stop producing nuclear weapons. Why should they stop making nukes if we won't promise not to attack them? You'd have to be an idiot to fall for that.
N. Korea has supplied weapons for cash to terrorists in the past. They are so short of money thanks to their loony brand of communism they they would sell anything. I'm not a gambling man but I'd be willing to wager that somebody like Bin laden would pay more for a Nuke than a boatload of AK47's. Has BL got the cash? Yes. Has BL got the will to use one. You bet.
WE would be idiots to let N. Korea develop nukes because they cannot be trusted not to sell them to the highest bidder.
The fact is we do want to attack North Korea and thus we won't sign the treaty. That's the reason for our stalemate now. Whether or not I agree with strong-arming North Korea isn't the issue. Just pointing out that the only people the DPRK has to fear are China and it's own citizens.
Where do you get that from? Why would we attack them now? The reason for the stalemate is that the NK are playing Nuclear blackmail. They want a non-aggression treaty AND food AND oil AND cash.
If you give in once, you give in forever.
By stalling, there is a chance of Kims regime falling by itself. If you give in, he would be propped up forever and continue his Great Leader dynasty.
We should however, retain the option to attack if that is the last resort.
We really should just abolish the UN. Then we could do whatever we want.
Yes, I agree. If the UN is just going to be a talking shop with nation states acting in their own interests (like Russia and France) then it deserves to go the way of the League of Nations.
Where are the chemical weapons he bought?
That's the whole point, isn't it? We know he had them because Rummy sold the damn things to him. He was supposed to hand over all information under the terms of UN1441. He didn't.
Only an idiot believes they can rule through fear. Every dictator is eventually toppled.
Are you calling Bush a dictator? He was elected (sort of) and there will be elections again this year. You could try and impeach him if you wanted to. Try that with a Stalin, Hitler or Saddam and see how well you do
They keep asking for it because we keep demanding they stop producing nuclear weapons. Why should they stop making nukes if we won't promise not to attack them? You'd have to be an idiot to fall for that.
N. Korea has supplied weapons for cash to terrorists in the past. They are so short of money thanks to their loony brand of communism they they would sell anything. I'm not a gambling man but I'd be willing to wager that somebody like Bin laden would pay more for a Nuke than a boatload of AK47's. Has BL got the cash? Yes. Has BL got the will to use one. You bet.
WE would be idiots to let N. Korea develop nukes because they cannot be trusted not to sell them to the highest bidder.
The fact is we do want to attack North Korea and thus we won't sign the treaty. That's the reason for our stalemate now. Whether or not I agree with strong-arming North Korea isn't the issue. Just pointing out that the only people the DPRK has to fear are China and it's own citizens.
Where do you get that from? Why would we attack them now? The reason for the stalemate is that the NK are playing Nuclear blackmail. They want a non-aggression treaty AND food AND oil AND cash.
If you give in once, you give in forever.
By stalling, there is a chance of Kims regime falling by itself. If you give in, he would be propped up forever and continue his Great Leader dynasty.
We should however, retain the option to attack if that is the last resort.
Originally posted by sirket
We really should just abolish the UN. Then we could do whatever we want.
We really should just abolish the UN. Then we could do whatever we want.
Originally posted by sirket
Where are the chemical weapons he bought?
Where are the chemical weapons he bought?
Either they are there in Iraq, have been shipped out of Iraq or they have been destroyed, so since you feel so confident he no longer had them and no one else has them then this leaves only one option and that is that he destroyed them. So once you or someone can provide that documentation or proof you are on the loosing side of a debate.
Originally posted by sirket
Only an idiot believes they can rule through fear. Every dictator is eventually toppled.
Only an idiot believes they can rule through fear. Every dictator is eventually toppled.
I feel bad for Kerry, I believe the coward really thought President Bush would be no different then Clinton. I bet Kerry never thought for a second that President Bush would actually stand behind his words and when the bombs starting dropping Kerry crapped a nice big load in his pants…
Originally posted by sirket
They keep asking for it because we keep demanding they stop producing nuclear weapons. Why should they stop making nukes if we won't promise not to attack them? You'd have to be an idiot to fall for that.
They keep asking for it because we keep demanding they stop producing nuclear weapons. Why should they stop making nukes if we won't promise not to attack them? You'd have to be an idiot to fall for that.
Originally posted by sirket
The fact is we do want to attack North Korea and thus we won't sign the treaty. That's the reason for our stalemate now. Whether or not I agree with strong-arming North Korea isn't the issue. Just pointing out that the only people the DPRK has to fear are China and it's own citizens.
The fact is we do want to attack North Korea and thus we won't sign the treaty. That's the reason for our stalemate now. Whether or not I agree with strong-arming North Korea isn't the issue. Just pointing out that the only people the DPRK has to fear are China and it's own citizens.
Here is how it works, first we try your approach, the liberal way, just to talk to them see where they are let them know where we are and work some kind of deal so its basically a win-win situation (by our rules of course).
Then when they don’t listen we punish them with sanctions etc. When that doesn’t work there is ONLY one way left to threaten the little ****** with force and if they continue to play games you ACTUALLY use the force so later down the line when you threaten force other nations know “time is almost up”
This is the lesson we have taught other nations after playing around with Iraq for over 10 years. Clinton talked, and talked, and talked, like a parent telling his kid if he don’t knock it off next time a smack to the head. Well after hearing the parent say that time and time and time again the kid learns “my parents ain’t going to do chit” so he continues to act like an ***.
This is what Clinton had taught the world for 8 years, that he was basically 95% talk and about 5% action. President Bush on the other hand to this point has taught the world America is 100% action and very little talk, either you listen very carefully now or face the wrath of our mighty military very soon…
Right now we are talking to North Korea and giving them an option to save their *** so we are not about to play like cowards as the Clinton administration was by signing anything they want. It is our rules and if they don’t want to follow them then they had better watch their back and sleep with one eye open…
Originally posted by sirket
The real terrorist supporters are in Saudi Arabia and yet you conveniently left them off your list.
-Don
The real terrorist supporters are in Saudi Arabia and yet you conveniently left them off your list.
-Don
Should we be engaging every nation that, either directly or indirectly, supports terrorism at the same time? Or should we send out a very clear message that we aren't going to bend over and let them pound away anymore? In 1994, the World Trade Center came under attack by terrorists (Al Quaida) and we ignored the large picture and put the "little guys" on trial, while those ultimately responsible just went back to the drawing board and came up with a plan that worked. How many downed commercial aircraft here in the States were due to undisclosed terrorism? When TWA Flight 800 went down off of Long Island, many people said that they saw what looked like a missile crash into it. Could this have been true? Who knows? How many terrorist acts have taken place in the United States, that we have refused to acknowlege, in the hopes that the perpetrators would give up? Maybe none. Maybe more than we would like to know. However unlikely, it is possible. Regardless, action was, and is, necessary. It's easy to stand on the sidelines and criticize. The point of the matter is that nobody else was doing anything effective to curb the behavior of the worst villains of our time. Several of those Villains have recently been curbed. Several others are shaking in their boots and sandals, worried that they may be next. I like that. I don't care who doesn't.
Why do you think Kim Jong-Il supports John Kerry for President? Because he knows that he'll be able to get whatever he wants from us, for a worthless promise or two, with a liberal democrat in the oval office. That's why. I hope that doesn't happen again at least until there is very little for them to screw up.
That’s the sad thing, when republicans are in office they do their best to get most the problems left by democrats taken care of and fixed. Then the public, most not knowing a damn thing about anybody running, go and elect a democrat that just screws up the whole damn thing all over.
There is still a mess left by Clinton to be cleaned up and we will have to face one day in the near future and that is China and how Clinton greatly accelerated their nuke program for a few bucks in his reelection coffers…
The democrats continually whine about how republicans are rich and those that support them are rich but I ask here now, can anybody tell me of a poor liberal in power? Clinton didn’t have a lot of money before office but the ol’ boy is loaded up big time now and so is his socialist wife. Take about stealing from the poor to feed their rich life style…
Now Kerry like the dope he is and partly due to his dysfunctional brain is going around and trying to blame republicans for what the democrats have done for over 40 years which is to pit groups of people against each other, the rich against the poor, the minorities against the majority, one race against the other and NEVER trying to bring America together or offer any solutions.
Now all of a sudden it is the republicans doing this and the democrats that supposedly have solutions and wanting to bring America together…
I am still waiting for just ONE solution offered by the democrats to keep America secure…
There is still a mess left by Clinton to be cleaned up and we will have to face one day in the near future and that is China and how Clinton greatly accelerated their nuke program for a few bucks in his reelection coffers…
The democrats continually whine about how republicans are rich and those that support them are rich but I ask here now, can anybody tell me of a poor liberal in power? Clinton didn’t have a lot of money before office but the ol’ boy is loaded up big time now and so is his socialist wife. Take about stealing from the poor to feed their rich life style…
Now Kerry like the dope he is and partly due to his dysfunctional brain is going around and trying to blame republicans for what the democrats have done for over 40 years which is to pit groups of people against each other, the rich against the poor, the minorities against the majority, one race against the other and NEVER trying to bring America together or offer any solutions.
Now all of a sudden it is the republicans doing this and the democrats that supposedly have solutions and wanting to bring America together…
I am still waiting for just ONE solution offered by the democrats to keep America secure…


