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...or if you have priced your labor out of the marketplace, guess what?
It's not the employer's fault. The fault lies with you. Either develop a
new set of job skills that are actually in demand, or adjust your pricing.
"adjust my pricing?"
I am competing against a guy in a mud hut with no shirt or shoes,
12 dependents willing to work 16 hours per day for 29 cents per hour.
I ask again!
"priced myself out of the marketplace?"
"adjust my pricing?"
Ditto for manufacturing. I've already told you the story about the California
company that makes computer mouses. (computer mice?) This company
ships the components to China. The mouse is assembled in China and
shipped back, then sold for around $40. Why? Because the assembly is
cheaper in China than it would be in the US. So, you say you want the
president to force this company to have that mouse assembled in the US?
Fine, then the price for the mouse goes up to about $70 a pop and
sales drop.
The mouse was US built first, the price was never $70 it was already $40.
Then the job was shipped overseas. Did the price drop from $40 to $23
due to cheaper assembly costs?
HELL NO! It is still $40 and the excess profits go into the Corporate coffers.
Where does the $70 figure come from? To maintain this 'profit level' they
would have to charge $70 if they used American labor.
It's the same story over and over. Corporate greed at the expense of the
working man. When does it stop? When there are 45,000 millionaires and
everybody else is on Welfare?
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Right now, it's all about corporate profits. The Bush tax cut gave IBM $1.4 billion and they responded by sending 5000 IT jobs with a salary range of $75,000-$100,000 overseas for an average salary of $20,000 USD. This is great for IBM's profit margin but not so great for the American tech workers and IBM clients. The service these Indian tech workers provide is nowhere near the level that the outsourced US workers had.
Anyone who has had to deal with these techs in India knows they're incompetent. They cannot speak English clearly enough to know what the hell they're saying and they have no idea what we are talking about unless we speak their version of English.
We have a US based tech support client. They actually provide tech support for techs in India that are now incompetently doing jobs of Americans. It's a truely ridiculous situation. A US based client will call for tech support and reach someone in India they can't even understand. The tech in India is so clueless that he actually calls our client back here in the US to tell him how to fix the problem. 24 hours a day, these techs in India are calling back to the US to ask how to do their job.
So, we as clients end up paying the same premium price for a less desirable service
Anyone who has had to deal with these techs in India knows they're incompetent. They cannot speak English clearly enough to know what the hell they're saying and they have no idea what we are talking about unless we speak their version of English.
We have a US based tech support client. They actually provide tech support for techs in India that are now incompetently doing jobs of Americans. It's a truely ridiculous situation. A US based client will call for tech support and reach someone in India they can't even understand. The tech in India is so clueless that he actually calls our client back here in the US to tell him how to fix the problem. 24 hours a day, these techs in India are calling back to the US to ask how to do their job.
So, we as clients end up paying the same premium price for a less desirable service
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Here is a thought that I like since I love tax cuts and I love employment… 
Target or structure the tax cuts to business based on the number of employees they have and add to that a nice incentive for continued training of said employees. For training I would make it completely 100% write off for a companies taxes, for all money spent on training.
That is a win-win situation. Business can, to a particular point, reduce their taxes for creating and keeping jobs here in America.
On the flip side I would raise taxes the same percentage I would lower them for American workers. Let’s say for every 100 employees it gets the company a 1% reduction in taxes, well for every 100 jobs they ship overseas it would raise their taxes 1% this would have no limit, in other words if they sent all their jobs overseas they wouldn’t be in business since their taxes would be 100%.
I know this may not be perfect, and my 1% for every 100 employees is off, but you get the idea, and where to a point say 20% is the max reduction in taxes a company can get. Now some may think well once a company hits the max of 20% they will send any other new jobs overseas, but the beauty of it is if they do it begins to raise their taxes again…
This idea could use some tweaking, but hey it’s a start…
Target or structure the tax cuts to business based on the number of employees they have and add to that a nice incentive for continued training of said employees. For training I would make it completely 100% write off for a companies taxes, for all money spent on training.
That is a win-win situation. Business can, to a particular point, reduce their taxes for creating and keeping jobs here in America.
On the flip side I would raise taxes the same percentage I would lower them for American workers. Let’s say for every 100 employees it gets the company a 1% reduction in taxes, well for every 100 jobs they ship overseas it would raise their taxes 1% this would have no limit, in other words if they sent all their jobs overseas they wouldn’t be in business since their taxes would be 100%.
I know this may not be perfect, and my 1% for every 100 employees is off, but you get the idea, and where to a point say 20% is the max reduction in taxes a company can get. Now some may think well once a company hits the max of 20% they will send any other new jobs overseas, but the beauty of it is if they do it begins to raise their taxes again…
This idea could use some tweaking, but hey it’s a start…
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Originally posted by Raoul
"priced myself out of the marketplace?"
"adjust my pricing?"
I am competing against a guy in a mud hut with no shirt or shoes,
12 dependents willing to work 16 hours per day for 29 cents per hour.
I ask again!
"priced myself out of the marketplace?"
"adjust my pricing?"
This is a lie.
The mouse was US built first, the price was never $70 it was already $40.
Then the job was shipped overseas. Did the price drop from $40 to $23
due to cheaper assembly costs?
HELL NO! It is still $40 and the excess profits go into the Corporate coffers.
Where does the $70 figure come from? To maintain this 'profit level' they
would have to charge $70 if they used American labor.
It's the same story over and over. Corporate greed at the expense of the
working man. When does it stop? When there are 45,000 millionaires and
everybody else is on Welfare?
"priced myself out of the marketplace?"
"adjust my pricing?"
I am competing against a guy in a mud hut with no shirt or shoes,
12 dependents willing to work 16 hours per day for 29 cents per hour.
I ask again!
"priced myself out of the marketplace?"
"adjust my pricing?"
This is a lie.
The mouse was US built first, the price was never $70 it was already $40.
Then the job was shipped overseas. Did the price drop from $40 to $23
due to cheaper assembly costs?
HELL NO! It is still $40 and the excess profits go into the Corporate coffers.
Where does the $70 figure come from? To maintain this 'profit level' they
would have to charge $70 if they used American labor.
It's the same story over and over. Corporate greed at the expense of the
working man. When does it stop? When there are 45,000 millionaires and
everybody else is on Welfare?
If you forced this company to pay high wages, they won't be able to compete with overseas companies, here and abroad. The only way you can compensate for this and keep those high pay jobs here is to impose tarrifs. That might work out ok here, but when you go to say, China, our companies won't be able to compete at all. So, now what do you do? Well, you close your company and move the whole thing over seas, screw the US system.
I can't tell you the exact answer, but I know you don't cut your nose off dispite your face.
Oh and btw, I think there's already over 45,000 milionaires.
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01 XLT,
There is no monetary enticement or penalty that will stop jobs from going overseas. There needs to be a change in mentality. Bush has made it clear that the only economy that matters and the only profit that is worthy of measure is that of corporations and their CEOs. Corporate profits are being made entirely at the expense of you and I. In the Bush economy, the ideal is that the fewest workers make the largest profit for the bare minimum of money and benefits. Anything that cuts into the profit margin is bad for the economy and bad for the country under Bush. The economic recovery we've experienced is only at a corporate level because hiring more workers means paying out more money in wages and benefits.
Look at what has happened to medical insurance under Bush. The cost of health insurance is staggering and the number of uninsured Americans is at a record high. At the company I work for, the rate went from $98.00 a month to almost $300.00 and I'm healthy, single and a non-smoker. I couldn't get sick enough for this to benefit me. The Twin Cities Metro Transit bus drivers are getting ready to go on stike now over wages and health coverage. Management, after giving themselves a %5 raise, wants a wage freeze for drivers and then just a %1 increase over the next 2 years. Their health coverage has also gone from $268 a month for family coverage to a proposed $700.00 a month in 2006. How can anyone afford this? Of course some of Bush's largest contributors are the drug manufacturers and health insurance companies and look at how much money they're making now. Raise the premiums while reducing the number of people you need to pay out to and there are going to be major profits.
Look at what Bush has done to Medicare: It's going to cost about $125 billion more than he stated. He also said that it would offer seniors and those with disabilities more options and lower costs. My father, who is disabled, told me that he received a letter last week informing him that he could no longer purchase generic prescriptions. Beyond that, he must order all of his prescriptions from a specific mail-order company, at an increase of $10.00 per month. This is not what Bush said his medicare prescription drug plan would do. Of course this is great news for the drug companies
But not for my father and not for the tax payer.
The same thing happened under Reagan: Corporate profits at the expense of the average working American. When so many manufacturing jobs went to Mexico in the 80s, the costs stayed the same for consumers, the profits went up for corporations and the quality went down. Now Bush is doing the same thing with technologies. These jobs are leaving because Bush's America is corporate America. Bush promised 1.7 million jobs in 2003 and we lost 53,000. This happened and will continue to happen because there is no corporate profit in creating jobs, only in cutting jobs.
It's going to take a long time to create jobs to replace all of those that Bush's economy has sent overseas and it will not happen as long as he's in office.
As for the Bush tax cut: Watching Bush lie often enough, I have to assume that every statement he makes is a lie so I looked into his tax cut a bit. He claimed that every American would receive roughly a $1062.00 tax cut. What he didn't explain is that this is the average based on the total amount. When you break it down, a worker making $20,000.00 per year received $266.00. A family of 4 making $40,000-$60,000 per year gets back about $600.00. Where the real break comes is to the top 1%. Those Americans making over $1,000,000 per year received an average tax cut of $68,000.00. Mr. **** Cheney, himself received a tax cut of $129,000.00. That is the reality of the Bush tax cut. When you consider the rising cost in health insurance and local services, we are all more than making up for this tax cut, unless of course we make more than $1,000,000.00 per year.
There is no monetary enticement or penalty that will stop jobs from going overseas. There needs to be a change in mentality. Bush has made it clear that the only economy that matters and the only profit that is worthy of measure is that of corporations and their CEOs. Corporate profits are being made entirely at the expense of you and I. In the Bush economy, the ideal is that the fewest workers make the largest profit for the bare minimum of money and benefits. Anything that cuts into the profit margin is bad for the economy and bad for the country under Bush. The economic recovery we've experienced is only at a corporate level because hiring more workers means paying out more money in wages and benefits.
Look at what has happened to medical insurance under Bush. The cost of health insurance is staggering and the number of uninsured Americans is at a record high. At the company I work for, the rate went from $98.00 a month to almost $300.00 and I'm healthy, single and a non-smoker. I couldn't get sick enough for this to benefit me. The Twin Cities Metro Transit bus drivers are getting ready to go on stike now over wages and health coverage. Management, after giving themselves a %5 raise, wants a wage freeze for drivers and then just a %1 increase over the next 2 years. Their health coverage has also gone from $268 a month for family coverage to a proposed $700.00 a month in 2006. How can anyone afford this? Of course some of Bush's largest contributors are the drug manufacturers and health insurance companies and look at how much money they're making now. Raise the premiums while reducing the number of people you need to pay out to and there are going to be major profits.
Look at what Bush has done to Medicare: It's going to cost about $125 billion more than he stated. He also said that it would offer seniors and those with disabilities more options and lower costs. My father, who is disabled, told me that he received a letter last week informing him that he could no longer purchase generic prescriptions. Beyond that, he must order all of his prescriptions from a specific mail-order company, at an increase of $10.00 per month. This is not what Bush said his medicare prescription drug plan would do. Of course this is great news for the drug companies
But not for my father and not for the tax payer.The same thing happened under Reagan: Corporate profits at the expense of the average working American. When so many manufacturing jobs went to Mexico in the 80s, the costs stayed the same for consumers, the profits went up for corporations and the quality went down. Now Bush is doing the same thing with technologies. These jobs are leaving because Bush's America is corporate America. Bush promised 1.7 million jobs in 2003 and we lost 53,000. This happened and will continue to happen because there is no corporate profit in creating jobs, only in cutting jobs.
It's going to take a long time to create jobs to replace all of those that Bush's economy has sent overseas and it will not happen as long as he's in office.
As for the Bush tax cut: Watching Bush lie often enough, I have to assume that every statement he makes is a lie so I looked into his tax cut a bit. He claimed that every American would receive roughly a $1062.00 tax cut. What he didn't explain is that this is the average based on the total amount. When you break it down, a worker making $20,000.00 per year received $266.00. A family of 4 making $40,000-$60,000 per year gets back about $600.00. Where the real break comes is to the top 1%. Those Americans making over $1,000,000 per year received an average tax cut of $68,000.00. Mr. **** Cheney, himself received a tax cut of $129,000.00. That is the reality of the Bush tax cut. When you consider the rising cost in health insurance and local services, we are all more than making up for this tax cut, unless of course we make more than $1,000,000.00 per year.
