when you started talking about clinton because you had no good come back to the fact that gwb weaseled his way out of serving in the vietnam conflict and was awol for most of the last year of his Guard obligation. He also quit showing up for mandatory pilot physicals when they started doing random drug tests. I believe during the 2000 campaign he also bragged about meeting the enemy in combat when the closest he ever got to combat when his wife was on his case for being a drunk.

 

this is fun but I'm going to go work out for a couple of hours.
ciao for niao
RR

 

I think you'll find that most servicemen are pretty pissed about any "civilian", even one titled Commander-in-Chief walking around playing soldier. It's the military brotherhood, not the record of the person playing soldier in his cute little uniform. As a veteran, and a relative of a few "lifers", I have not heard a desenting hue and cry regarding W's right to leadership, just a few muffled question aimed at his choice of direction. Not that the questions haven't been discussed historically. Case in point, why attack a Communistic cancer in Vietnam when we had a perfect case 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Why attack a questionable threat to world peace in Irag when Lybia, Iran, North Korea, etc. have given us ample opportunities to accomplish the same results. Hell, for that matter what about those French sympaticos in Canada rocking the Anglo boat for years?

Ah, I've probably taken this a step too far, as usual.
Apologies all around, this ain't a perfect world, and I'm just another imperfect part of it.
Let's all have another beer and go to bed.

 

You seem to love throwing the word Neocon around. There are a few definitions of neocon that might fit me while there are many others that would not. That being said, what is “your” definition of neocon?

 

That is a pretty weak excuse, try another and good luck. Newbies to politics, there just a lot of fun to play with…

 

I would back you there. I myself served in the military for 10 years and it is a brotherhood. I can tell you the vast majority of the service members have great respect for their Commander-in-Chief President Bush.

Are there a few whiners in the service? There sure is, and always will be. There was when I was there and there will continue to be. However you can not judge moral or the type of respect they have by looking at what 5% may think or feel…

 

Please don’t come back with a definition of neocom as a far left liberal that turned republican, that my friend I am not…

 

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1003-08.htm

 

“Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community”

Translation:

“Breaking News & Views for the Liberal Community”

That’s great if you want to believe everything liberal publications write. Progressive is the new word for liberal. Why is it that liberals are so afraid of what they are they never admit, for the most part, that they are indeed liberal…

 

As far as the United States and misconceptions about WMD and Iraq involvement with 911. There really is not much. The entire, complete United Nations stated for a fact that Iraq and Saddam did indeed HAVE WMD’s. Saddam had been told for over 10 years and 17 or so UN resolutions to get rid of them completely. Saddam did not do what he was told to do so Saddam got his *** whipped. Very simple concept to understand, when the neighborhood tells you to follow the law and you don’t then chit happens…

What about the report and evidence of the 747 co*kpit in Iraq, I do not recall the area, but there is a lot of evidence on it. Terriost trained there for “taking over co*kpits. Now the United States nor the Bush administration has ever said 911 was linked to Iraq, but that particular terriost training using a 747 co*kpit does make one wonder why it was in Iraq…

Second, most Americans did not care what the rest of the world thought about us going after the terriost king pins like Saddam. It didn’t matter if the United Nations went along or not, because most Americans, that pay attention, know the United Nations is nothing more then an over rated debating society…



http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/k-salmanpak/browse

Take that for what it is worth, but you can find a lot more on the web

 

O.K. I am late to this thread but hear goes.

01 XLT, Most of the time you are correct about your views of how the republican party works when it comes to racism. However I (read my opinion no one elses) also believe that you are missing a little bit of the truth. I for one am behind you 1000 percent that we should run this nation based solely on ability, merit, and accomplishment. And true that is pure republican mantra to the core. The problem is that for centuries we have hidden racism behind this belief. Example: you can very easily tell someone that they didn't get the job because they didn't qualify when in reality it is because you met with them and decided you didn't want to hire them because they were fat.

Which leads to my next point, ALL humans are born racist. Yes it is true you can love people of color and still be a racist! The problem is that in this great country we tend to only associate racism with whites hating blacks. For instance that is why we have come up with the incorrect/assinine statement "reverse racism" when black people hate white people. There is no such thing! (You stated it yourself)

Now to the thread at hand. What Rush said was stupid and absolutely racist. He could have very easily said the same thing without saying Mcnabb was black. Yes I know that he was trying to tell the truth in your eyes but I am sorry he could have done a better job. I know you like us to provide examples so here goes; Rush "I believe that the media is unfortunately biased towards minority QB's which in turn hides their true talent or lack there of and I beleive that McNabb unfortunately falls into this catagory" "And-McNabb-in my opinon isn't as good as the media portrays" Besides I noticed that you mentioned that Rush tells the truth. How do you know?

As far as his possible drug use/problem. Rush has historically had very very harsh things to say/have done about drug attics and if he is found guilty and if he is the great man you think he is he should follow is own words. Which I will bet big bucks he won't! Have you heard the latest? The biggest side affect of the particular drug that Mr. Rush is possibly addicted to causes you to go deaf!!! HHHmmmm???

Just so you know I am not a liberal democrat (Which by the way is an oxymoron) I am a moderate. And I voted for Bush. No I was never in the military but my baby sister was during the Gulf war and a very very close friend of mine was one of the front line marines on the initial invasion of Iraq. He just came home a few weeks ago.

Isn't this fun?!!?

 

I, at one time, really enjoyed listening to Rush. I don't know if I have changed or if it is him; but, I don't care for his show as much as I once did. I still listen though. He makes many excellent observations and often mirrors my own thoughts on situations and life. I've never been a hard core right winger though, I also listen to NPR regularly. I take the info I receive from both places and try to see the truth of things. Usually there is just a great deal of confusion.

When I first heard Rush's comment, I instantly said out loud, "Damn, that was a stupid thing to say!" For him to say that McNabb was overrated would not have been a problem, if he had stopped there. To make it based on the man's race is the problem here. He's better than many of the white QBs in the league. The statement he made was based on his opinion of the media as applied to minorities in politics. If every black QB in the league fell to the end of the ability spectrum, behind white QBs in the league, he would have had a point worth making. As it is, there was no point to what he said.

If Rush had not gone so far as to point out that McNabb was black, the statement that he was being elevated by the media would still have caused him trouble. It would have been assumed by most that he was referring to McNabb's minority status. This would have been something Rush and his supporters could have argued against as being an unfair assumption. Not anymore. In the future, all of Rush's questionable statements will be subject to interpretation based on this quote. He is now, and forever, colored a racist, whether true or not.

The drug issue is still a question mark. I'm waiting to see what happens with that. The source of the story has to be considered. National Inquirer right?

 

hcmq:

Excellent point, as you usually have…

I agree with what your stating about Rush could have done it much better, and used your example “minorities” rather then stating a particular race “black”. I believe what he was trying to do was relate it back to how the NFL now has to interview blacks for head coaching jobs, even if they are not going to hire them. That is just sad indeed, the fact there is not more minority head coaches.

In any regards, I do agree with what you stated, and Rush did blow it, but I don’t believe what his statement was, was indeed racist. I think it was stupid, but not racist. I “kind of” agree with what your saying about everyone being “racist” (not wanting to hire a fat person for example). Where I disagree is I do not think that to be racist but rather prejudice. To me there is a big difference between the two.

One, racist just dislikes people based on their race or skin color while the other, prejudice dislikes a particular type of person. I do believe every single person is prejudice in one form or the other. I am prejudice towards particular types of people, not based on race or skin color but rather by their actions or inactions. For example I am prejudice towards the person that could be out working sitting on their butt collecting hand-outs because they are to lazy to work, or think they deserve more then minimum wage for an entry level job like at McDonalds.

I have no false beliefs that racism will be around for a long time, because there are some very naďve people out there not knowing the talents they are missing because they base something on ones skin color.

I do however believe that liberals are the main cooperates for wanting to keep racism alive and well and have absolutely no intention to ever try to help correct it. It is what their whole power base is based on. It is not ideas because most intelligent people know that the vast majority of liberal ideas have been tried and failed horribly. There only recourse to maintain some power is by keeping people back, either because of skin color, education, or how much money they may make…

I absolutely agree with you about the drug issue if it turns out to be true. I think I made a post on here about my thoughts on the issue. However I will state it again. If he is found guilty of the charges that have been stated then he should have to pay the “complete” price, time in jail, cash, and maybe even loosing his job. That is the right thing, and that is accepting responsibility for ones actions of which Rush has spoken about many times and something that is one of my core values, responsibility…

 

If they didn't qualify and you told them so, what difference does it make if fat is the reason they didn't qualify, or, skinny, black, white, tall, short, etc.
It's my business, I will be providing workspace, benefits and compensation. Therefore, I feel it's my decision who I hire to fill the position. I base this on several tangible and intangible criteria. Why the government thinks they have to get in and "level the playing field", escapes me. Why someone would want a job, knowing that an affirmative action measure got it for them also escapes me. I would be ashamed to take a job in that manner. Maybe that's one of the little reasons why there is such low moral and lack of pride in a job well done in the workplace, or maybe that's why company loyalty is lacking at so many business.

Sure, before some of you get your feathers all mussed up, I know that is not the way it works anymore. I am a realist, but sometimes I just wonder if progress ain't a figment of our imagination.

 

I tried to find info (reliable info, that is) that would validate your accusations. I wasn't able to find anything but this: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bush-desert.htm

Please tell me where you got the random drug test correlation? I was not able to find it myself...

Here's an interesting link I found - Kinda' spells out what I thought all along about old "Slick Willie":

Slick Willie, The Draft Dodger

Say what you want, but if a guy won't tell the truth to his own wife, why would he tell any of us the truth ??