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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 07:19 PM
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Thoughts on Wesley Clark...

The retired four-star general has entered the race four president. I personally think he has a pretty good shot and getting the democratic nomination because basically his military experience, which gives him an edge that the other candidates don't have. The public will have a perception that he is strong on national defense unlike most democrats. I personally vote republican, but does anyone think he has a chance?

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On a side note...the university I am attending will be having Wesley Clark coming to give a speech later this year. I plan on going to hear him just to see his views on issues. Also can't wait to hear Oliver North to come speak also....wish he would run for president.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 07:51 PM
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Hmmm... Wesley Clark. Definitly no problem with military success and declaration. However, I do disagree with some of his logic. I'll leave it at that for now.l



By the way, which University do you attend?
 
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 07:58 PM
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Hmmm... Wesley Clark. Definitly no problem with military success and declaration. However, I do disagree with some of his logic. I'll leave it at that for now.l



By the way, which University do you attend?
University of Texas at Tyler
 
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 07:59 PM
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Our school had all the Democratic people that are running (all but 1 I think, and the new guy) It would have made me sick to watch.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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Our school had all the Democratic people that are running (all but 1 I think, and the new guy) It would have made me sick to watch.
I just want to hear his views. There's no way in hell I'd vote for him or any of the Dems.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 09:06 PM
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It will be interesting and good to know his views. The man in our Whitehouse hasn't done us any favors and I am hoping for someone with competence to replace him.


Everyone should vote for who they think will do the best job, but to say you would never vote for someone when you haven't even heard what they believe or stand for makes no sense to me.

Personally I hope Clark's policies make sense because we need a replacement and I am not sure if any of the other candidates are up to the task. It would be nice if McCain would reconsider.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Nick D.
It will be interesting and good to know his views. The man in our Whitehouse hasn't done us any favors and I am hoping for someone with competence to replace him.


Everyone should vote for who they think will do the best job, but to say you would never vote for someone when you haven't even heard what they believe or stand for makes no sense to me.

Personally I hope Clark's policies make sense because we need a replacement and I am not sure if any of the other candidates are up to the task. It would be nice if McCain would reconsider.
I want to hear his views, I'm still not going to vote for him. The worst Republican candidate is still the lesser of 2 evils compared to a Democrat.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 10:43 PM
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Don’t sweat Clark. He is not going anywhere he is just out to get people use to him for 2008. He has very little money and no grassroots organization to get him up and going. He and Hillary will be running together in 2008. Clark really has no real views on anything nor experience in politics. He is probably the best hope out of the sad line up of democratic candidates.

He has entered to insure Dean doesn’t get the democratic nomination because that would be bad news for the democrats to get wiped out in 2004 and then possible lose major seats in both houses. They already face some loses in 2004 but best to keep them to the minimum. If Dean was the one running against Bush he would get wiped out bad and take some down with him. The Clintons, who run the Democratic Party, are not going to let that happen.

Once the media and other democrats get done cleaning up themselves from all the orgasms they have been having they will find that Clark will not fair much better then some of the other democratic candidates. Americans are not going to elect somebody, be it Republican or Democrat that like Clark has absolutely no experience in government. They will also not elect a far left extremist nut case liberal like Dean.

So in the end Bush will win the 2004 election, not by a landslide but somewhere near 55 – 60% or maybe just a bit better. All you democrats and ultra liberals can look forward to Hillary running in 2008, she’ll lose but it will be a lot of fun…
 

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Old Sep 19, 2003 | 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Don’t sweat Clark. He is not going anywhere he is just out to get people use to him for 2008. He has very little money and no grassroots organization to get him up and going. He and Hillary will be running together in 2008. Clark really has no real views on anything nor experience in politics. He is probably the best hope out of the sad line up of democratic candidates.

He has entered to insure Dean doesn’t get the democratic nomination because that would be bad news for the democrats to get wiped out in 2004 and then possible lose major seats in both houses. They already face some loses in 2004 but best to keep them to the minimum. If Dean was the one running against Bush he would get wiped out bad and take some down with him. The Clintons, who run the Democratic Party, are not going to let that happen.

Once the media and other democrats get done cleaning up themselves from all the orgasms they have been having they will find that Clark will not fair much better then some of the other democratic candidates. Americans are not going to elect somebody, be it Republican or Democrat that like Clark has absolutely no experience in government. They will also not elect a far left extremist nut case liberal like Dean.

So in the end Bush will win the 2004 election, not by a landslide but somewhere near 55 – 60% or maybe just a bit better. All you democrats and ultra liberals can look forward to Hillary running in 2008, she’ll lose but it will be a lot of fun…
Well, I'm with you on your 04 predictions but not so sure about 08. It's scarry to think that Hillary would be int he whitehouse again, but I'd like to see what the republicans put up against her. I really do hope, and am fairly confident, that Bush gets another 4 years to crack down on the terrorists and supporting countries. At least by then some of the stuff would be fairly concrete, like Iraq, so the dems won't F it all up. The Dems can then focus on pandering to the Europeans again and pacify em a little.

Maybe by then we'll get lucky and people will start to wake up a little and look at alternatives to what's currently available in politics. I'd love to see a more moderate group come of age and nuetralize some of the crap slinging that goes on. Untill then I'll put my bets on the party that's not gonna let things deteriorate too bad.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2003 | 09:35 AM
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Americans are not going to elect somebody, be it Republican or Democrat that like Clark has absolutely no experience in government.
I'm with Bert on this point. He may be a very smart man and great leader but has no political background in the sense that we can see how he has taken a stand in the past. He needs to get in office at a lower level first and establish what he's all about - not just saying the words.


Now when it comes to Republican's or Democrat's, I think it's all bullSh@t! My philosophy is, the rich get richer and ALL politicians take care of the rich!
 
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Old Sep 20, 2003 | 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by JD
Now when it comes to Republican's or Democrat's, I think it's all bullSh@t! My philosophy is, the rich get richer and ALL politicians take care of the rich!
Interesting point except each party has their own rich crowd they take care of...
 
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Old Sep 20, 2003 | 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Don’t sweat Clark. He is not going anywhere he is just out to get people use to him for 2008. He has very little money and no grassroots organization to get him up and going. He and Hillary will be running together in 2008. Clark really has no real views on anything nor experience in politics. He is probably the best hope out of the sad line up of democratic candidates.

He has entered to insure Dean doesn’t get the democratic nomination because that would be bad news for the democrats to get wiped out in 2004 and then possible lose major seats in both houses. They already face some loses in 2004 but best to keep them to the minimum. If Dean was the one running against Bush he would get wiped out bad and take some down with him. The Clintons, who run the Democratic Party, are not going to let that happen.

Once the media and other democrats get done cleaning up themselves from all the orgasms they have been having they will find that Clark will not fair much better then some of the other democratic candidates. Americans are not going to elect somebody, be it Republican or Democrat that like Clark has absolutely no experience in government. They will also not elect a far left extremist nut case liberal like Dean.

So in the end Bush will win the 2004 election, not by a landslide but somewhere near 55 – 60% or maybe just a bit better. All you democrats and ultra liberals can look forward to Hillary running in 2008, she’ll lose but it will be a lot of fun…



I don't know how you can say that a successful person like Clark "has no real views on anything". He was in charge of NATO and was CINC of our armed forces that successfully ended the genocides in the Baltics. He has been serving our country his entire life both here and abroad. It would nice to have a candidate that will stand up for what is good for America verses what will give ditto heads their next orgasm.

Bush had accomplished little without the help of his daddy until he became the governer of Texas. While Clark was building a successful military career Bush was lying unconcious under a bar stool.

So, does one develop views serving his country or drinking himself silly? It may turn out that his views on domestic issues are folly, but since no one here has heard him publicly disclose his ideas or his personal paradigms, How could you say you would never vote for him.

A dyed in the wool partisan is a poor American regardless which political party he worships. For the record, Clark stated he voted for Reagan twice and for Bush's daddy. I believe he also stated he voted for Ford over Carter but I cannot find the article to be sure. So he is not a raging liberal which is good, and apparantly he is not a raging rightist either which is also good. If he can steer this country back to the middle where it has always been at its best then he will probably get my vote. But since he has just entered the race we all need to see what his stands are.

My personal belief is that the Clintons do not run the Democratic party. Both have a lot of infuence but they do not control the purse strings or the platform. They are not that liberal, at least not him. B.C. may have had problems with his sexual appetites but he was obviously not gay. He believed in lazzafaire capatalism and free world trade which both Reagan and Bush supported. And he did not ask for one single bill to limit our gun ownership rights. He threw carrots to both sides of the political spectrum and got nothing but grief from the extremeists on both sides of the aisle.

But this post was about Clark and not B.C.. With our troops in harms way and since it looks like they will be in harms way for a long long time, I would prefer military men be their leader. Certainly not Cheny, rumsfield and Bush. Hopefully Clark will not turn out to be a single issue savant.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2003 | 10:51 AM
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I would agree that if you worship your party that is sad. I don’t worship anything but God. I have my values and they don’t lay on the side of giving the lazy money to make them feel better which the liberals and ultra left wing extremist like Dean love to do.

Anyhow, back to Clark:

” He was in charge of NATO and was CINC of our armed forces that successfully ended the genocides in the Baltics.”
So when did our troops come home from that great adventure? Answer is they haven’t so it has not yet been a successful mission. The democrats and liberals will continue to have orgasms over Clark and some will vote for him because they really do not have much interest in foreign affairs their main and only concern is continuing to pander to the lazy and weak and give out tons of money in the name of ”Feelings”

I don’t know where Clark is on issues but from what little I have seen of him he has no “real” ideas or beliefs of his own. I seen a clip of him after an interview and a reporter had asked a question. He wasn’t taking question but then stated “Hold on” and proceeded to make a phone call on his cell phone to ask permission to answer the question permission was denied and he told the reporter ”Sorry I can’t answer your question” Now that there is real leadership….

I don’t care how great the man is I would NEVER vote for someone that has NO experience. If you think someone that worships a party is sad, then voting for someone with NO experience is ten times as bad. Talk about the blind leading the blind…

Therefore my prediction stands and that is Clark has absolutely NO chance of becoming President in 2004…
 
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Old Sep 20, 2003 | 10:55 AM
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In case you’re wondering…

I will be voting to get MORE of MY money back during 2004 – 2008 so President Bush will be getting my vote.

A vote for President Bush is a vote to get more of your hard earned money back and to tell the lazy to get off their butt and work for something or STARVE…
 
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