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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 09:24 AM
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Energy problems, black outs etc are caused by nut case enviromental wackos...

Those are the people that would like for you to burn candles for light and ride horses to work.

Need to upgrade the grids, and other power sources that the liberal enviromental wackos DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE!

Trouble is, the enviromental wackos don't know what they want you to have, they don't want you to have oil for power, no gas, no natural gas, no nuke power, hell if I know.

I believe they want you to have a windmill for power, trouble is they DON'T like those either in "their" backyards, like Calif now, there all freaking out because the windmills look like crap out in thier ocean view, so they will want YOU to have two windmills for power, one for you and one for them, they just don't want to have to look at their tacky useless windmill in their own back yard.

If you don't like having black outs when their is NOT a peak in usage then you need to get rid of the nut case tree huggers...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 01:31 PM
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01 you don't know how true your post is. I think we all know your views from reading your posts on this site and this time you are spot on.

Flash back to the mid 90's. I utility provider wanted to build a peaking plant. Along with the vast pounds of paperwork to complete they had to hold a public hearing to listen to public concerns. Any (and I mean ANY) concern brought up by ANYONE at that hearing had to be reported and discounted (guilty until proven innocent, so to speak). The accusations ranged from "they dug up and moved endangered plants" to "it will turn our air into smog and terribly pollute our air". It got to be such a headache that the plant never got built. These people probably then promptly returned to their air conditioned homes and watched TV, both of which require electricity. NIMBY - Not In My Backyard. They just didn't want the plant anywhere near them.

Today, we have deregulation which this article says is a way for utility companies to rape customers. Think about this from the utility providers' point of view. Deregulaion makes it possible for Joe Schmoe to build a plant and start generating onto the grid (if he can sign up customers). Deregulation also says if Joe Schmoe can generate power and take his customers, then why should he pay as much attention to my transmission lines and other facilities that are now out there for him to use? He doesn't know if he's going to ever recover his expenses since his customers are now served by Joe. Forget building more transmission lines so Joe can get his power to his customers.
 

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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 04:46 PM
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Two years ago Tom DeLay blocked a modest Democratic plan for loan guarantees for system upgrades, calling it "pure demagoguery."

Darn that tree-hugger DeLay.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 05:13 PM
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Yeah! Darn that guy! After all he was only looking out for my pockets!

As AP reported at the time, the amendment would have amendments that would have doubled the bill's money for energy assistance for the poor to $600 "provided $350 million to support loans to improve the capacity of transmission grids. 'It's pure demagoguery,' House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said in a brief interview regarding the Democratic amendments.
I'd be willing to bet that any rep would vote Yes on a bill to provide the loans if it were that cut and dry. Problem is, that one wee little statement about doubling the bill's money for energy assistance. I'm betting they voted FOR my pockets, which unfortunately voted against this amendment.

And tell me again where the extra money for this increased energy assistance would come from?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by alphadoggy
Two years ago Tom DeLay blocked a modest Democratic plan for loan guarantees for system upgrades, calling it "pure demagoguery."

Darn that tree-hugger DeLay.
As Screwed In NC points out, Tom Delay did NOT block plans for system upgrades he simple and “correctly” blocked liberal give a ways to the useless in society. The democrats NEVER want upgrades to projects there environmental friends do not like. You have to have ALL the facts and not read liberal “bites” in press releases…

As far as deregulations of such industries as water and power I am somewhere in between, and I HATE that because that makes me a moderate of deregulation.

Moderates in general really don’t know what they want because they wait to see where the majority of the crowd goes, if the majority of the crowd goes the liberal way then that’s how the Moderates go, if the majority goes towards conservative then the Moderates follow. There is no such thing really of a moderate, they simple can not make up their mind without focus groups and polls.

So, in reality you have either liberals or conservatives and the rest basically follow the crowd.

Anyway back to my views on deregulation on industries such as water and power. I agree that with deregulation you could have problems with the deliverer system of power, the lines etc. I think for vital industries such as power and water there needs to be some over site. I would much rather have over site NOT by the federal government but rather local government. I think the actual service doing the production, the generation plants themselves should be deregulated that makes for better competition and thus lower prices but they would have to pay a fee to use the distribution system, the lines etc. These fees could be used to maintain the distribution system by other private sector providers, businesses.

I have many more ideas and theories but to long to go into here. Basically you would have the distribution systems, power lines, water pipes etc owned by the local communities, cities and maybe over site of that system by local government and the actually production of power, or providing of water would be by private businesses and the distribution systems maintained by other private contractors with fees (reasonable fees) paid by those selling the power and water to the consumers.

Look at it like most businesses. They make a product and need to get it to the markets. Some have their own trucking while others use private or non-company owned trucking companies to get it to market.

This way if Bill is producing electricity he is not maintaining the lines he is using, so if Joe comes along you don’t have to worry about Bill screwing with them to screw Joe out of a job and thus keeping Bill’s profits higher. If they are both paying the same fees to use a system maintained by a third party both Bill and Joe can attempt to cut each others throat in business and we have cheaper prices…
 

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