The "TERROR MARKET" - Your Tax Dollars at work
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The "TERROR MARKET" - Your Tax Dollars at work
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Our tax dollars at work...
I'm all for having something to gain intelligence with that might ultimately save lives however; I really like the comment that one of the senators made which marched to the tune of "...what if another country set up such a market to bet on when Bush would be assisinated... I don't think we'd think much of it then..."
Honestly, I'm apalled that we're spending money in this arena.
RP
From Yahoo News 7/28/03
By KEN GUGGENHEIM, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is setting up a stock-market style system in which investors would bet on terror attacks, assassinations and other events in the Middle East. Defense officials hope to gain intelligence and useful predictions while investors who guessed right would win profits.
Two Democratic senators demanded Monday the project be stopped before investors begin registering this week. "The idea of a federal betting parlor on atrocities and terrorism is ridiculous and it's grotesque," Sen. Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record), D-Ore., said.
The Pentagon office overseeing the program, called the Policy Analysis Market, said it was part of a research effort "to investigate the broadest possible set of new ways to prevent terrorist attacks." It said there would be a re-evaluation before more money was committed.
The market would work this way. Investors would buy and sell futures contracts — essentially a series of predictions about what they believe might happen in the Mideast. Holder of a futures contract that came true would collect the proceeds of investors who put money into the market but predicted wrong.
A graphic on the market's Web page showed hypothetical futures contracts in which investors could trade on the likelihood that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) would be assassinated or Jordanian King Abdullah II would be overthrown.
Although the Web site described the Policy Analysis Market as "a market in the future of the Middle East," the graphic also included the possibility of a North Korea (news - web sites) missile attack.
That graphic was apparently removed from the Web site hours after the news conference in which Wyden and fellow Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record) of North Dakota criticizing the market.
Dorgan described it as useless, offensive and "unbelievably stupid."
"Can you imagine if another country set up a betting parlor so that people could go in ... and bet on the assassination of an American political figure, or the overthrow of this institution or that institution?" he said.
According to its Web site, the Policy Analysis Market would be a joint program of the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, known as DARPA, and two private companies: Net Exchange, a market technologies company, and the Economist Intelligence Unit, the business information arm of the publisher of The Economist magazine.
DARPA has received strong criticism from Congress for its Terrorism Information Awareness program, a computerized surveillance program that has raised privacy concerns. Wyden said the Policy Analysis Market is under retired Adm. John Poindexter, the head of the Terrorism Information Awareness program and, in the 1980s, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal.
In its statement Monday, DARPA said that markets offer efficient, effective and timely methods for collecting "dispersed and even hidden information. Futures markets have proven themselves to be good at predicting such things as elections results; they are often better than expert opinions."
The description of the market on its Web site makes it appear similar to a computer-based commodities market. Contracts would be available based on economic health, civil stability, military disposition and U.S. economic and military involvement in Egypt, Iran, Iraq (news - web sites), Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey.
Contracts would also be available on "global economic and conflict indicators" and specific events, for example U.S. recognition of a Palestinian state.
Traders who believe an event will occur can buy a futures contract. Those who believe the event is unlikely can try to sell a contract. The Web site does not address how much money investors would be likely to put into the market but says analysts would be motivated by the "prospect of profit and at pain of loss" to make accurate predictions.
Registration would begin Friday with trading beginning Oct. 1. The market would initially be limited to 1,000 traders, increasing to at least 10,000 by Jan. 1.
The Web site says government agencies will not be allowed to participate and will not have access to the identities or funds of traders.
The market is a project of a DARPA division called FutureMAP, or "Futures Markets Applied to Prediction." FutureMAP is trying to develop programs that would allow the Defense Department to use market forces to predict future events, according to its Web site.
"The rapid reaction of markets to knowledge held by only a few participants may provide an early warning system to avoid surprise," it said.
It said the markets must offer "compensation that is ethically and legally satisfactory to all sectors involved, while remaining attractive enough to ensure full and continuous participation of individual parties."
Dorgan and Wyden released a letter to Poindexter calling for an immediate end to the program. They noted a May 20 report to lawmakers that cited the possibility of using market forces to predict whether terrorists would attack Israel with biological weapons.
"Surely such a threat should be met with intelligence gathering of the highest quality — not by putting the question to individuals betting on an Internet Web site," they said.
Wyden said $600,000 has been spent on the program so far and the Pentagon plans to spend an additional $149,000 this year. The Pentagon has requested $3 million for the program for next year and $5 million for the following year.
Wyden said the Senate version of next year's defense spending bill would cut off money for the program, but the House version would fund it. The two versions will have to be reconciled.
By KEN GUGGENHEIM, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is setting up a stock-market style system in which investors would bet on terror attacks, assassinations and other events in the Middle East. Defense officials hope to gain intelligence and useful predictions while investors who guessed right would win profits.
Two Democratic senators demanded Monday the project be stopped before investors begin registering this week. "The idea of a federal betting parlor on atrocities and terrorism is ridiculous and it's grotesque," Sen. Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record), D-Ore., said.
The Pentagon office overseeing the program, called the Policy Analysis Market, said it was part of a research effort "to investigate the broadest possible set of new ways to prevent terrorist attacks." It said there would be a re-evaluation before more money was committed.
The market would work this way. Investors would buy and sell futures contracts — essentially a series of predictions about what they believe might happen in the Mideast. Holder of a futures contract that came true would collect the proceeds of investors who put money into the market but predicted wrong.
A graphic on the market's Web page showed hypothetical futures contracts in which investors could trade on the likelihood that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) would be assassinated or Jordanian King Abdullah II would be overthrown.
Although the Web site described the Policy Analysis Market as "a market in the future of the Middle East," the graphic also included the possibility of a North Korea (news - web sites) missile attack.
That graphic was apparently removed from the Web site hours after the news conference in which Wyden and fellow Democratic Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record) of North Dakota criticizing the market.
Dorgan described it as useless, offensive and "unbelievably stupid."
"Can you imagine if another country set up a betting parlor so that people could go in ... and bet on the assassination of an American political figure, or the overthrow of this institution or that institution?" he said.
According to its Web site, the Policy Analysis Market would be a joint program of the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, known as DARPA, and two private companies: Net Exchange, a market technologies company, and the Economist Intelligence Unit, the business information arm of the publisher of The Economist magazine.
DARPA has received strong criticism from Congress for its Terrorism Information Awareness program, a computerized surveillance program that has raised privacy concerns. Wyden said the Policy Analysis Market is under retired Adm. John Poindexter, the head of the Terrorism Information Awareness program and, in the 1980s, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal.
In its statement Monday, DARPA said that markets offer efficient, effective and timely methods for collecting "dispersed and even hidden information. Futures markets have proven themselves to be good at predicting such things as elections results; they are often better than expert opinions."
The description of the market on its Web site makes it appear similar to a computer-based commodities market. Contracts would be available based on economic health, civil stability, military disposition and U.S. economic and military involvement in Egypt, Iran, Iraq (news - web sites), Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Turkey.
Contracts would also be available on "global economic and conflict indicators" and specific events, for example U.S. recognition of a Palestinian state.
Traders who believe an event will occur can buy a futures contract. Those who believe the event is unlikely can try to sell a contract. The Web site does not address how much money investors would be likely to put into the market but says analysts would be motivated by the "prospect of profit and at pain of loss" to make accurate predictions.
Registration would begin Friday with trading beginning Oct. 1. The market would initially be limited to 1,000 traders, increasing to at least 10,000 by Jan. 1.
The Web site says government agencies will not be allowed to participate and will not have access to the identities or funds of traders.
The market is a project of a DARPA division called FutureMAP, or "Futures Markets Applied to Prediction." FutureMAP is trying to develop programs that would allow the Defense Department to use market forces to predict future events, according to its Web site.
"The rapid reaction of markets to knowledge held by only a few participants may provide an early warning system to avoid surprise," it said.
It said the markets must offer "compensation that is ethically and legally satisfactory to all sectors involved, while remaining attractive enough to ensure full and continuous participation of individual parties."
Dorgan and Wyden released a letter to Poindexter calling for an immediate end to the program. They noted a May 20 report to lawmakers that cited the possibility of using market forces to predict whether terrorists would attack Israel with biological weapons.
"Surely such a threat should be met with intelligence gathering of the highest quality — not by putting the question to individuals betting on an Internet Web site," they said.
Wyden said $600,000 has been spent on the program so far and the Pentagon plans to spend an additional $149,000 this year. The Pentagon has requested $3 million for the program for next year and $5 million for the following year.
Wyden said the Senate version of next year's defense spending bill would cut off money for the program, but the House version would fund it. The two versions will have to be reconciled.
Our tax dollars at work...
I'm all for having something to gain intelligence with that might ultimately save lives however; I really like the comment that one of the senators made which marched to the tune of "...what if another country set up such a market to bet on when Bush would be assisinated... I don't think we'd think much of it then..."
Honestly, I'm apalled that we're spending money in this arena.
RP
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Defense by Lottery, what a unique idea. Let's bet when the next tragedy will occur, why not profit by other people's misfortune? I've gotta go back and read "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" it might prove to be insightful. Have we finally risen to the heights that will ultimately cause our fall?
What a *****ty idea! Those people that sponsored the bill need
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What a *****ty idea! Those people that sponsored the bill need
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It is a program designed and produced by our Pentagon.
That is the problem with you liberals you can't think for yourselves, you whine and cry about things you don't understand blindly following the Left. Why can't you be INDIVIDUALS?
If you don't agree with Pentagon policies THEN JUST SHUT UP! I don't want to hear it. Constantly, all I hear is morons and idiots with opinions different than mine.
It is your Country your talking about.
Just be thankful that you are allowed to have the wrong opnion, it is your right to be wrong, a right for which you may now say thank you, you ungrateful wretch. Other Countries don't allow you to have the wrong opinion like I do.
You dissagreed with me, now say thank you for that right.
Any moron who hasn't been shamed into the right way of thinking,
Now Hear This - Pentagon equals Troops.
You bad mouth the Pentagon, you bad mouth the Troops.
You see, that's the difference between you and me,
I support the Troops
You do not.
That is the problem with you liberals you can't think for yourselves, you whine and cry about things you don't understand blindly following the Left. Why can't you be INDIVIDUALS?
If you don't agree with Pentagon policies THEN JUST SHUT UP! I don't want to hear it. Constantly, all I hear is morons and idiots with opinions different than mine.
It is your Country your talking about.
Just be thankful that you are allowed to have the wrong opnion, it is your right to be wrong, a right for which you may now say thank you, you ungrateful wretch. Other Countries don't allow you to have the wrong opinion like I do.
You dissagreed with me, now say thank you for that right.
Any moron who hasn't been shamed into the right way of thinking,
Now Hear This - Pentagon equals Troops.
You bad mouth the Pentagon, you bad mouth the Troops.
You see, that's the difference between you and me,
I support the Troops
You do not.
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That is absolutely WRONG!!!!!!!!! period. I have never heard of such a STUDID idea on betting on the next event be it the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. Betting on sports events, no problem, betting on card games, no problem, betting on horses, no problem, betting on human tragedy MAJOR FREAKING PROBLEM in my book.
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Okay Raoul, you're kidding again right? You are pretending to be Jack N. (A few good men) or maybe George C. S. (PATTON), or.... or..... no, can't be 01 (F150 ONLINE)
Hell, maybe you're not kidding, come to think of it I've never know a herder with a sense of humor. Look at how much trouble that one herder that cried wolf got into. He just thought it was small joke to pass the boredom. Damn, there's fables about him. HERDERS DON'T MAKE JOKES!
I support the troops, everytime they come by the house selling their cookies.
Hell, maybe you're not kidding, come to think of it I've never know a herder with a sense of humor. Look at how much trouble that one herder that cried wolf got into. He just thought it was small joke to pass the boredom. Damn, there's fables about him. HERDERS DON'T MAKE JOKES!
I support the troops, everytime they come by the house selling their cookies.
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The Pentagon on Tuesday abandoned a plan to establish a futures market that would have allowed traders to profit by correctly predicting assassinations and terrorist strikes in the Middle East.
Facing outraged Democratic senators, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said he learned of the program in the newspaper while heading to a Senate Foreign Relations hearing on Iraq.
"I share your shock at this kind of program," he said. "We'll find out about it, but it is being terminated."
Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., said in an interview that he received assurance from the head of the Pentagon agency overseeing the program that it would "stop all engines on this matter today."
Warner spoke by telephone with Tony Tether, head of the Pentagon's Defense Research Projects Agency, after consulting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., and Appropriations Chairman Ted Stevens, R-Alaska. The three agreed "that this should be immediately disestablished," Warner said.
Warner said that DARPA "didn't think through the full ramifications of the program."
The little-publicized Pentagon plan envisioned a potential futures trading market in which speculators would wager with one another on the Internet on the likelihood of various economic or political events in the Middle East, including terrorist attacks or assassinations. A Web site promoting the plan already is available and registration of traders was to begin Friday.
When the plan was disclosed Monday by Democratic Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, the Pentagon defended it as a way to gain intelligence about potential terrorists' plans.
Wyden called it "a federal betting parlor on atrocities and terrorism." Dorgan described it as "unbelievably stupid."
Criticism mounted Tuesday. On the Senate floor, Democratic Leader Thomas Daschle of South Dakota denounced the program as "an incentive actually to commit acts of terrorism."
"This is just wrong," declared Daschle, D-S.D. At an Armed Services Committee hearing, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called it "a futures market in death."
Republicans joined in the criticism. At a news conference, Warner, Stevens and Roberts said they had not been told details of the program and would never have supported it. "This defies common sense. It's absurd," Roberts said. Warner called it "a rather egregious error of judgment."
At the Foreign Relations hearing, Wolfowitz defended DARPA, saying "it is brilliantly imaginative in places where we want them to be imaginative. It sounds like maybe they got too imaginative," he said, smiling.
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., told Wolfowitz "I don't think we can laugh off that program,"
"There is something very sick about it," she said. "And if it's going to end, I think you ought to end the careers of whoever it was thought that up. Because terrorists knowing they were planning an attack could have bet on the attack and collected a lot of money. It's a sick idea."
DARPA has been criticized by Congress for its Terrorism Information Awareness program, a computerized surveillance program that has raised privacy concerns. Wyden said the Policy Analysis Market is under the supervision of retired Adm. John Poindexter, the head of the Terrorism Information Awareness program and, in the 1980s, national security adviser to President Reagan.
Warner said Poindexter and Tether had personally reviewed the program. Warner, Roberts and Stevens declined to say whether the two men should be fired. Tether was to meet with lawmakers later Tuesday.
The program is called the Policy Analysis Market. DARPA said it was part of a research effort "to investigate the broadest possible set of new ways to prevent terrorist attacks."
Traders would have bought and sold futures contracts _ just like energy traders do now in betting on the future price of oil. But the contracts in this case would have been based on what might happen in the Middle East in terms of economics, civil and military affairs or specific events, such as terrorist attacks.
Holders of a futures contract that came true would have collected the proceeds of traders who put money into the market but predicted wrong.
A graphic on the market's Web page Monday showed hypothetical futures contracts in which investors could trade on the likelihood that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat would be assassinated or Jordanian King Abdullah II would be overthrown. Although the Web site described the Policy Analysis Market as Middle East market, the graphic also included the possibility of a North Korea missile attack. The graphic was later removed from the Web site.
In a statement Monday, DARPA said markets could reveal "dispersed and even hidden information. Futures markets have proven themselves to be good at predicting such things as elections results; they are often better than expert opinions."
According to its Web site, the Policy Analysis Market would be a joint program of DARPA and two private companies, Net Exchange, a market technologies company, and the Economist Intelligence Unit, the business information arm of the publisher of The Economist magazine.
Trading was to begin Oct. 1. The market would have been open to at least 10,000 investors by Jan. 1.
The Web site says government agencies will not be allowed to participate and will not have access to the identities or funds of traders.
The Policy Analysis Market is part of a DARPA project called FutureMAP, or "Futures Markets Applied to Prediction." FutureMAP is run by Poindexter's division of DARPA, the Information Awareness Office, and the products of FutureMAP were to be given to the Terrorism Information Awareness project, another one of Poindexter's programs, for evaluation.
DUH!
Facing outraged Democratic senators, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said he learned of the program in the newspaper while heading to a Senate Foreign Relations hearing on Iraq.
"I share your shock at this kind of program," he said. "We'll find out about it, but it is being terminated."
Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., said in an interview that he received assurance from the head of the Pentagon agency overseeing the program that it would "stop all engines on this matter today."
Warner spoke by telephone with Tony Tether, head of the Pentagon's Defense Research Projects Agency, after consulting with Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., and Appropriations Chairman Ted Stevens, R-Alaska. The three agreed "that this should be immediately disestablished," Warner said.
Warner said that DARPA "didn't think through the full ramifications of the program."
The little-publicized Pentagon plan envisioned a potential futures trading market in which speculators would wager with one another on the Internet on the likelihood of various economic or political events in the Middle East, including terrorist attacks or assassinations. A Web site promoting the plan already is available and registration of traders was to begin Friday.
When the plan was disclosed Monday by Democratic Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, the Pentagon defended it as a way to gain intelligence about potential terrorists' plans.
Wyden called it "a federal betting parlor on atrocities and terrorism." Dorgan described it as "unbelievably stupid."
Criticism mounted Tuesday. On the Senate floor, Democratic Leader Thomas Daschle of South Dakota denounced the program as "an incentive actually to commit acts of terrorism."
"This is just wrong," declared Daschle, D-S.D. At an Armed Services Committee hearing, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called it "a futures market in death."
Republicans joined in the criticism. At a news conference, Warner, Stevens and Roberts said they had not been told details of the program and would never have supported it. "This defies common sense. It's absurd," Roberts said. Warner called it "a rather egregious error of judgment."
At the Foreign Relations hearing, Wolfowitz defended DARPA, saying "it is brilliantly imaginative in places where we want them to be imaginative. It sounds like maybe they got too imaginative," he said, smiling.
Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., told Wolfowitz "I don't think we can laugh off that program,"
"There is something very sick about it," she said. "And if it's going to end, I think you ought to end the careers of whoever it was thought that up. Because terrorists knowing they were planning an attack could have bet on the attack and collected a lot of money. It's a sick idea."
DARPA has been criticized by Congress for its Terrorism Information Awareness program, a computerized surveillance program that has raised privacy concerns. Wyden said the Policy Analysis Market is under the supervision of retired Adm. John Poindexter, the head of the Terrorism Information Awareness program and, in the 1980s, national security adviser to President Reagan.
Warner said Poindexter and Tether had personally reviewed the program. Warner, Roberts and Stevens declined to say whether the two men should be fired. Tether was to meet with lawmakers later Tuesday.
The program is called the Policy Analysis Market. DARPA said it was part of a research effort "to investigate the broadest possible set of new ways to prevent terrorist attacks."
Traders would have bought and sold futures contracts _ just like energy traders do now in betting on the future price of oil. But the contracts in this case would have been based on what might happen in the Middle East in terms of economics, civil and military affairs or specific events, such as terrorist attacks.
Holders of a futures contract that came true would have collected the proceeds of traders who put money into the market but predicted wrong.
A graphic on the market's Web page Monday showed hypothetical futures contracts in which investors could trade on the likelihood that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat would be assassinated or Jordanian King Abdullah II would be overthrown. Although the Web site described the Policy Analysis Market as Middle East market, the graphic also included the possibility of a North Korea missile attack. The graphic was later removed from the Web site.
In a statement Monday, DARPA said markets could reveal "dispersed and even hidden information. Futures markets have proven themselves to be good at predicting such things as elections results; they are often better than expert opinions."
According to its Web site, the Policy Analysis Market would be a joint program of DARPA and two private companies, Net Exchange, a market technologies company, and the Economist Intelligence Unit, the business information arm of the publisher of The Economist magazine.
Trading was to begin Oct. 1. The market would have been open to at least 10,000 investors by Jan. 1.
The Web site says government agencies will not be allowed to participate and will not have access to the identities or funds of traders.
The Policy Analysis Market is part of a DARPA project called FutureMAP, or "Futures Markets Applied to Prediction." FutureMAP is run by Poindexter's division of DARPA, the Information Awareness Office, and the products of FutureMAP were to be given to the Terrorism Information Awareness project, another one of Poindexter's programs, for evaluation.
DUH!
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Lets start with the fact I have had a bad day.
Business in general is not really all that good for most retailers of which I am one.
Let me also say I am on my third drink, not apologizing, just a fact after a hard day.
This type of misuse of not only our taxpayers dollars but also the talent of people who really have a lot of good ideas to put on the plate when it comes to intelligence just burns my ***.
I am sure it has always been there but it may be that the age of the internet makes communication so much faster and perhaps more accurate but I am appalled at the arrogance of some of our government agencies that we are now able to see virtually every day and particularly on the WWW.
I honestly fail to understand how in pluperfect hell such an idea/concept got so far and even worse got publicized without some oversight from some of the other agencies of our Government. The White House/State Dept./FBI/,Justice Dept,well, choose your agency, someone should have put the Kibosh on this one a long time ago.
Now for one more drink and I am going to bed.
Bill
Business in general is not really all that good for most retailers of which I am one.
Let me also say I am on my third drink, not apologizing, just a fact after a hard day.
This type of misuse of not only our taxpayers dollars but also the talent of people who really have a lot of good ideas to put on the plate when it comes to intelligence just burns my ***.
I am sure it has always been there but it may be that the age of the internet makes communication so much faster and perhaps more accurate but I am appalled at the arrogance of some of our government agencies that we are now able to see virtually every day and particularly on the WWW.
I honestly fail to understand how in pluperfect hell such an idea/concept got so far and even worse got publicized without some oversight from some of the other agencies of our Government. The White House/State Dept./FBI/,Justice Dept,well, choose your agency, someone should have put the Kibosh on this one a long time ago.
Now for one more drink and I am going to bed.
Bill
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Easy guys,
Raoul's not being serious.
His sarcastic sentiments echo many real life views from the general public as well as some message boards.
I found his post kind of funny actually.
How about we have a personal mishap lottery instead?
I'm willing to offer the following wagers:
I bet $10 (even money) that once RockPick moves into his squeaky new house, within one year, he will open the door to his truck (while parked in the garage, and ding the rake, or some other piece of gardening equipment, resulting in a small "nick, scratch" on his driver door. Any takers??
I also bet 10$ and will give 3 to 1 odds that 01 won't get a piece of *** within the next 3 months.
Ok, ok, let's make it fair, by the end of the year!
Hey, anyone with a post count of a zillion can't have time to be chasing skirts, lol
Habibi
Raoul's not being serious.
His sarcastic sentiments echo many real life views from the general public as well as some message boards.
I found his post kind of funny actually.
How about we have a personal mishap lottery instead?
I'm willing to offer the following wagers:
I bet $10 (even money) that once RockPick moves into his squeaky new house, within one year, he will open the door to his truck (while parked in the garage, and ding the rake, or some other piece of gardening equipment, resulting in a small "nick, scratch" on his driver door. Any takers??
I also bet 10$ and will give 3 to 1 odds that 01 won't get a piece of *** within the next 3 months.
Ok, ok, let's make it fair, by the end of the year!
Hey, anyone with a post count of a zillion can't have time to be chasing skirts, lol
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Originally posted by Habibi
I also bet 10$ and will give 3 to 1 odds that 01 won't get a piece of *** within the next 3 months.
Ok, ok, let's make it fair, by the end of the year!
Hey, anyone with a post count of a zillion can't have time to be chasing skirts, lol
Habibi
I also bet 10$ and will give 3 to 1 odds that 01 won't get a piece of *** within the next 3 months.
Ok, ok, let's make it fair, by the end of the year!
Hey, anyone with a post count of a zillion can't have time to be chasing skirts, lol
Habibi
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Originally posted by Habibi
Easy guys,
Raoul's not being serious.
His sarcastic sentiments echo many real life views from the general public as well as some message boards.
I found his post kind of funny actually...
Easy guys,
Raoul's not being serious.
His sarcastic sentiments echo many real life views from the general public as well as some message boards.
I found his post kind of funny actually...
I will say this, it's a hell of lot easier to write from the Right rather than the Left. Writing from the Left requires a lot of thought, choosing your words carefully to get your point across without appearing to be gay, limp, cowardly, femine or drugged.
When writing from the Right however, the words just flow. Short, direct, command sentences fit perfectly. Structure is strong and manly, vulgarity seamingly appropiate.
I could have ended my rant with a series of grunts and it would still have received high marks from any supporting that view.
The Right certainly has the upper hand in verbal and written debate.
to signify when you are kidding. I hate to see people struggling to think for themselves and draw the wrong conclusions. 