Sorry. Guess I'm the party pooper on this thread! Hey, wait a minute. Are you infringing on my freedom of speech to express my opinion in this thread? Quick, somebody call the ACLU rep..........

-Mike-

 

Yeah, I agree. We should pass an amendment to the Constitution that doesn't let guys like BigDeal use logic and reasoning to quell a potentially good thread. Then we don't have to worry about his freedom of speech rights.

 

agreed....but my concern comes from the heightened sense of supposed patriotism that has caused what she said to become a "big deal." If this was 1969 then hearing anti-war statements by musicians would practically go un-noticed since so many popular groups of the time were against Vietnam. What makes this different?



so? Do none of you remember the "what about Bush?" sitcom on comedy central that used to air back when he was first elected? No one had anything to say about that "attack" on good 'ol bush. In fact, most of the country considered him a less than intelligent guy, who fails miserably at public speaking. When 911 happened that TV show went off the air right away, and now everything that man says has to be taken as truth and must be agreed with or you’re un-patriotic. The winning of the war does not change my opinion of g.bush, in fact it only disturbs me more that everyone believes that he isn’t the moron he has always been. That kind of thing doesn’t disappear because you control the largest army in the world and can beat up a bunch of ill equipped Iraqis.

 

Since I do have the right to freedom of speech, Bite me!

-Mike-

 

It's sad that you have reverted to name calling aimed at the President. Unfortunately, you are just plain wrong. The President is far from being a "moron". President Bush was born on July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Connecticut, and he grew up in Midland and Houston, Texas. He received a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1968, then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975.

Kind of reminds me of back in third grade when we couldn't think of a good reply to some other kids cut down and we'd just say
"Oh Yeah? Well you're STOOPID!"

 

A couple comments here Konig.

First, a humorous jab at the president on a comedy show can't quite be compared to Natalie standing on foreign soil during time of war maliciously (IMO) attacking the president. Try as you may you won't convince me that these two incidents are the same.

Second, I want to see your survey results that show that most of the public saw or currently sees the president as a "less than inteligent guy". He is not a gifted public speaker (like Clinton was, thank God), but don't confuse that for ignorance on his part.

Third, the point I tried to make was that Natalie was rather stupid for having done what she did given the pervailing circumstances. That to me has very little to do with her patriotism.

Finally, I think you have a real axe to grind with G.W. Given the cards he's been dealt since having been elected, I'm rather impressed with how he's dealt with things. Stop for a minute and put yourself in his shoes. How do you think you'd have faired in the forum of public opinion. I know I wouldn't want his job.

-Mike-

 

Excuse me but I didn’t "resort" to name calling as you put it. I thought "moron" was actually doing him some credit as opposed to what I could really say. That’s not the issue, and the fact that you ignored the rest of what I wrote and its validity boggles me.


so you think everyone who flies a plane and graduated from "Yale" is an intelligent person? I hope you're kidding for your own sake. What was the point of all the other "factoids" (ie. place/date of birth) have to do with anything at all? or were you just trying to sound like you know him?




ok? Where exactly in this thread did I not supply a rational, thought out reply? The fact that you would compare all I have written to a school yard child calling names is ridicules. That comment alone makes me doubt you even understand what I have written in this thread. That whole paragraph you’re referring to was trying to make a point that since the war the public’s view of the Bush has gone a full 180, because of a war. What better way to win a popularity contest than to start/win a war.







and it wasnt a comment or jab on a tv show...it was an entire show dedicated to mocking bush....but nobody sees the hypocracy in that I guess....

 

Nope, wasn't trying to sound like I know him. I got the info from the Presidential Biography web site and didn't take the time to remove the irrelevant data. My apologies.
As far as the President's intelligence goes, Yes, it takes good brains to graduate from those schools.
If you really think the war was only an attempt at increasing his popularity, You are wrong again, Sir. I understand that fact that you haven't had the advantage of seeing what has been going over here in person, but that's still no excuse to living in the dark. There are many other sources of information than comedy central

quote - "I thought "moron" was actually doing him some credit as opposed to what I could really say."

Aren't you glad you live in a country where the person you say that about is the person ensuring you can say that about him?

 

exfordguy:

First you have to understand as much as I may have heated debate with Konig he is a die hard liberal, Bush hater, don't matter if his President Bush created world peace he would still hate President Bush.

Having said that, I absolutely believe that Konig has every right to call President Bush every name in the book. That’s what happens when liberals have no facts to back anything up, they make up facts.

In case some don't know I will be honest right up front. I did not like Clinton. However, if Clinton were still my President like Bush is Konig President I would still be very pissed off if some bimbo opened her mouth overseas knocking who ever was president.

This is the thing OUR country was attacked. It did not matter WHO the President was, OUR country was attacked. Our President is America's President, the LEADER regardless of how you feel about him. In other words he REPRESENTS EVERY single American regardless of how they feel about him.

So, with the bimbo opening her mouth she ATTACKED every American, in my opinion, and was basically telling those that HATE us terriost etc that she "somewhat" agreed with them or "felt their pain"

I feel that way because she was on FOREIGN land when she did it. If she had done it here I would still think it was STUPID but I would not be as pissed. Kind of like Clinton going over to Russia in his younger days mouthing off about America during the Vietnam war. I do NOT believe that was right nor bright, but then again that was Clinton.

I have NO problem with anyone that feels war is wrong, or things should have or should be done in a different fashion. For the most part the Hollywood type and others are doing not out of convictions, or their true beliefs but because they HATE this president.

That is fine because a lot of people are beginning to see these people for who they really are FAKES, with NO moral convictions. There were some people in this country (many democrats running for office) that had HOPED we would have lost badly in Iraq, that thousands would have died or been killed with chemical attack so they could say "see we told you Bush was wrong" that is just sick.

They thought of their political careers BEFORE their country that my friend is UN-PATRIOTIC.

Now some may think President Bush is a moron probably the same type that thought Clinton was a savior. I would rather have a moron with ***** that will protect the country then a savior playing with cigars and young women and to timid to deal with the real threats to our country.

 

01 XLT Sport,

I hear what you're saying. I've spent the last 16 years of my life going to various, sometimes unnamed, parts of the world protecting the rights of Americans. During my travels I have had the opportunity to participate in "an exchange of opposing ideas" with people of differing backgrounds.
In truth, I think I would have done well as a Lawyer, I do enjoy a hearty "debate". I honestly believe that Konig has the Right to express his opinion, and I respect his opinion even if I do not agree with it.
Sometimes you just have to "agree to disagree" on a topic to keep it from getting too personal. I'm looking forward to future intellectual jousting with konig, he's OK in my book even if we disagree on this subject.
I do appreciate your levelheadedness. Your points are well put and thought out with maturity. Maybe someday I'll get there

 

Exfordguy:

I hear you as well. I served 10 years in the Navy till Clinton speed up the draw down and I was kind of forced out, that pissed me off because I had planed on staying for at least 20 years.

I think konig is good people as well. Without someone with an opposing view point this country, in my opinion, would be weak and not strong. I may disagree with him at time or maybe often but in any regards it is good to have debate. It opens minds to different view points, different directions to possible take or to simple put it a “choice”.

There were some things that Clinton did I thought was good, but more so I thought was bad, at least for the country as a whole. However in time of war, regardless of who is President, it is my opinion, that while the war is under way we should stand together.

Now that is not to say there can not be debate, but it should be here at HOME, not overseas from some foreign land, like them bonehead congressmen did in Iraq. They should have been arrested and put in jail upon their arrival home.

You being in the military know what I am talking about. When I was on a ship sometimes us (Navy) and the Marines would have our differences. If we were out in town, or where ever and someone got attacked be it Navy or Marine everyone was as one, like a family. It is ok for the family to disagree at home, but you don’t do it at some neighbor’s house (overseas).

The bimbo was wrong just as the congressmen were wrong and UN- PATRIOTIC, especially the congressmen, they in my opinion were aiding and abetting the enemy, or giving aid and support to the enemy.

I am PRO-America and PRO-Military first then everything comes after.

 

I only want to add one more thing, Im not on either side of the politcal war. I dont particulary care for any presidents. To me all the goverment officials in the world are why we have wars. The people of the nations dont start fights with each other. Its always the leaders that manage to find reasons for war. I dont like to see anyone of any country die for a reason that could have been provented or avoided.

 

Wow, I thought we where still attacking that loud mouth fat cu*t singer of the dixie chicks
This one went off course

 

That huge tub of sh*t is a bitch...


How's that boss?

 

My dog is a bitch, she's a cu*t