Read this & tell me our actions are wrong!
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Read this & tell me our actions are wrong!
I read this & realized I had to share it for those who feel we're the bad guys. If you have a weak stomach do NOT read this!
See men shredded, then say you don't back war.
March 18, 2003
See men shredded, then say you don't back war.
By Ann Clwyd
“There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein’s youngest son] personally supervise these murders.”
This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by researchers from Indict — the organisation I chair — to provide evidence for legal cases against specific Iraqi individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. This account was taken in the past two weeks.
Another witness told us about practices of the security services towards women: “Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men were forced to watch as their wives were raped . . . women were suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their periods were over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation.”
The accounts Indict has heard over the past six years are disgusting and horrifying. Our task is not merely passively to record what we are told but to challenge it as well, so that the evidence we produce is of the highest quality. All witnesses swear that their statements are true and sign them.
For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam. The 17 UN resolutions passed since 1991 on Iraq include Resolution 688, which calls for an end to repression of Iraqi civilians. It has been ignored. Torture, execution and ethnic-cleansing are everyday life in Saddam’s Iraq.
Were it not for the no-fly zones in the south and north of Iraq — which some people still claim are illegal — the Kurds and the Shia would no doubt still be attacked by Iraqi helicopter gunships.
For more than 20 years, senior Iraqi officials have committed genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. This list includes far more than the gassing of 5,000 in Halabja and other villages in 1988. It includes serial war crimes during the Iran-Iraq war; the genocidal Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds in 1987-88; the invasion of Kuwait and the killing of more than 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians; the violent suppression, which I witnessed, of the 1991 Kurdish uprising that led to 30,000 or more civilian deaths; the draining of the Southern Marshes during the 1990s, which ethnically cleansed thousands of Shias; and the summary executions of thousands of political opponents.
Many Iraqis wonder why the world applauded the military intervention that eventually rescued the Cambodians from Pol Pot and the Ugandans from Idi Amin when these took place without UN help. They ask why the world has ignored the crimes against them?
All these crimes have been recorded in detail by the UN, the US, Kuwaiti, British, Iranian and other Governments and groups such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and Indict. Yet the Security Council has failed to set up a war crimes tribunal on Iraq because of opposition from France, China and Russia. As a result, no Iraqi official has ever been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. I have said incessantly that I would have preferred such a tribunal to war. But the time for offering Saddam incentives and more time is over.
I do not have a monopoly on wisdom or morality. But I know one thing. This evil, fascist regime must come to an end. With or without the help of the Security Council, and with or without the backing of the Labour Party in the House of Commons tonight.
Author: Labour MP for Cynon Valley.
WHO is the monster here?
Here's the link so you can see where I got it & that I did NOT edit it at all.
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...5&pagenumber=1
See men shredded, then say you don't back war.
March 18, 2003
See men shredded, then say you don't back war.
By Ann Clwyd
“There was a machine designed for shredding plastic. Men were dropped into it and we were again made to watch. Sometimes they went in head first and died quickly. Sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming. It was horrible. I saw 30 people die like this. Their remains would be placed in plastic bags and we were told they would be used as fish food . . . on one occasion, I saw Qusay [President Saddam Hussein’s youngest son] personally supervise these murders.”
This is one of the many witness statements that were taken by researchers from Indict — the organisation I chair — to provide evidence for legal cases against specific Iraqi individuals for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. This account was taken in the past two weeks.
Another witness told us about practices of the security services towards women: “Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men were forced to watch as their wives were raped . . . women were suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their periods were over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation.”
The accounts Indict has heard over the past six years are disgusting and horrifying. Our task is not merely passively to record what we are told but to challenge it as well, so that the evidence we produce is of the highest quality. All witnesses swear that their statements are true and sign them.
For these humanitarian reasons alone, it is essential to liberate the people of Iraq from the regime of Saddam. The 17 UN resolutions passed since 1991 on Iraq include Resolution 688, which calls for an end to repression of Iraqi civilians. It has been ignored. Torture, execution and ethnic-cleansing are everyday life in Saddam’s Iraq.
Were it not for the no-fly zones in the south and north of Iraq — which some people still claim are illegal — the Kurds and the Shia would no doubt still be attacked by Iraqi helicopter gunships.
For more than 20 years, senior Iraqi officials have committed genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity. This list includes far more than the gassing of 5,000 in Halabja and other villages in 1988. It includes serial war crimes during the Iran-Iraq war; the genocidal Anfal campaign against the Iraqi Kurds in 1987-88; the invasion of Kuwait and the killing of more than 1,000 Kuwaiti civilians; the violent suppression, which I witnessed, of the 1991 Kurdish uprising that led to 30,000 or more civilian deaths; the draining of the Southern Marshes during the 1990s, which ethnically cleansed thousands of Shias; and the summary executions of thousands of political opponents.
Many Iraqis wonder why the world applauded the military intervention that eventually rescued the Cambodians from Pol Pot and the Ugandans from Idi Amin when these took place without UN help. They ask why the world has ignored the crimes against them?
All these crimes have been recorded in detail by the UN, the US, Kuwaiti, British, Iranian and other Governments and groups such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty and Indict. Yet the Security Council has failed to set up a war crimes tribunal on Iraq because of opposition from France, China and Russia. As a result, no Iraqi official has ever been indicted for some of the worst crimes of the 20th century. I have said incessantly that I would have preferred such a tribunal to war. But the time for offering Saddam incentives and more time is over.
I do not have a monopoly on wisdom or morality. But I know one thing. This evil, fascist regime must come to an end. With or without the help of the Security Council, and with or without the backing of the Labour Party in the House of Commons tonight.
Author: Labour MP for Cynon Valley.
WHO is the monster here?
Here's the link so you can see where I got it & that I did NOT edit it at all.
http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...5&pagenumber=1
Last edited by Cowlady; Mar 22, 2003 at 11:39 PM.
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Another excellent post Cowlady...
Let's see what those who are against the war say to this. If they are truely for peace, for the rights of all humans to have a life then they should be for what America is doing now. It is right and it is just.
To ignore it, like France, Germany and Russia is a CRIME.
Let's see what those who are against the war say to this. If they are truely for peace, for the rights of all humans to have a life then they should be for what America is doing now. It is right and it is just.
To ignore it, like France, Germany and Russia is a CRIME.
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Excellent artilcle Cowlady!
Saddam must be removed from complete power. And everyone else who does these kinds of things. And people say that we are the bad guys. They don't look at the various aspects of the situation. Everyone seems to be one-sided and do not want to see different views. Many people just see us as going in and attacking Saddam, without any real reason. He has probably killed more people this year alone than the number of Iraq civilians that will die because of the war. And his killing people is far worse. He just doesn't shoot someone, he will torture them to their depth. Even if this article is not 100% accurate, he is still torturing his people. He motto must be follow me or be tortured. He has to go and by any means possible.
Saddam must be removed from complete power. And everyone else who does these kinds of things. And people say that we are the bad guys. They don't look at the various aspects of the situation. Everyone seems to be one-sided and do not want to see different views. Many people just see us as going in and attacking Saddam, without any real reason. He has probably killed more people this year alone than the number of Iraq civilians that will die because of the war. And his killing people is far worse. He just doesn't shoot someone, he will torture them to their depth. Even if this article is not 100% accurate, he is still torturing his people. He motto must be follow me or be tortured. He has to go and by any means possible.
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Thanks guys. I'm sure there will be some who say we're still wrong - let them. My conscience would bother me far more if I didn't support ousting this animal!
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That is horrible! We are most definitely right to be in Iraq taking care of business right now!
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Hearing details of sadaams sadistic practices that are carried out by his regime, just makes the sadistic basta*d look that much worse then he already did.
I am sure there is a lot more going on that we don't hear about also.
My only question is...should sadaam be shot on the spot or put in a prison for a few years first with a couple hundred lifers name bubba?
I am sure there is a lot more going on that we don't hear about also.
My only question is...should sadaam be shot on the spot or put in a prison for a few years first with a couple hundred lifers name bubba?
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From: Stinkin Joisey
Just another example of the crimes SH has been putting his people thru. Iam sure when this is all said and done, the world will cringe when all the atrocities that the people of Iraqi have been put thru for the last 25 yrs