I support my country & our President in this effort to remove Saddam from power. I will not pretend otherwise.
I have a few questions for those who have a differing opinion from me. These are sincere questions - I hope to receive sincere replies.
1) If this war action is wrong, how would you propose to disarm Iraq & remove Saddam from power? Negotiations haven't worked - neither have the inspections. Same goes for the sanctions we've had in place since the last war. Suggestions? Anybody?
2) If you're a patriotic American, what would YOU do to protect the innocent lives here in the US against terrorism? Anyone willing to be a human shield for your OWN citizens?
3) What are you planning on doing when the next terrorist attack hits the US? Have you signed up to assist with evacuations? Are you EMT's, Police Officer's or Firemen? Will you VOLUNTEER to transport supplies? I am going back to re-certify as an EMT & will be signing up w/a local Volunteer Ambulance Corps so that, in the event I am needed I CAN & WILL do something CONSTRUCTIVE to assist my community.
4) If it came down to armed conflict in OUR streets w/terrorists, would you be willing to "take a bullet" for a neighbor? What if that neighbor belittled & ridiculed you & called you names? How about a total stranger? Our military is doing that for us - right now - to PREVENT the terrorists from attacking us here at home again. At least they're trying to accomplish this.
I'd love to hear your answers to these questions. Let's hear what you plan to do to safeguard ME & the rest of the US. Or, will you be duct taped in your homes, putting down the efforts of those who are brave & selfless enough to protect the very same people who put them down? Who do you really support - the US or Saddam?

 

EXCELLENT post CL!! Id like to hear the opposers opinions! I, for one, am for the disarming of Iraq, whether its by force or peace. I would not be afraid to use force mind you--i support W and our miltary 100%!
Did you hear Hillary Clinton and the democrats bitching about how President W Bush has "broken every moral boundry known to this country and religion."? I thought that was hilarious. If W has broken ANY moral code of religion, what is it? How would you describe what their own Bill Clinton did??

Good post, ill be awaiting our opposers posts.... !

 

Way to go CowLady........

Lets see how many people want to voice their opinion now

 

Standing by and awaiting orders from Cowlady, should the need arise…

Any opinions???? Anyone?

 

I guess that when it comes down to "walking the walk" these very vocal people have decided to sit this one out. And, where they used to "talk the talk, they hit the mute button instead!
I seriously doubt I have asked any questions that are unanswerable. Nor am I setting myself up as "Citizen of the Year" by any means. I am not. I am however, VERY concerned for my safety & that of fellow Americans. I am a NY'er - born & raised - always will be. After seeing my city - my COUNTRY attacked on 9/11/01, I realized how vulnerable we are & how precious EVERY life is - here & in other countries. I will not lay down & wait for something to happen & I'd hope that our country wouldn't either.
It boggles my mind that ANYONE can call Bush a terrorist! What has he done? Defend us? Take a proactive stance against future attacks? What really gauls me is the same people criticizing him for this "war" would be the FIRST to attack him if he did nothing & allowed another terrorist attack to hit our country! I can hear them now - "why didn't he DO something?" as they run for shelter. I'd love to know how many of these people gave blood after 9/11 or gave their time/skills to helping at Ground Zero or the Pentagon or in that PA field! How many donated money to the victim's families? Said a prayer? Shed a tear?
C'mon folks - let's cut to the chase here - the majority of people cutting the President down wouldn't have the backbone to do something to defend this country. They wouldn't give of their time or make a personal sacrifice to save anyone but themselves or their families. That's fine - they don't have to do a thing - our MILITARY will protect them & their rights to free speech. But the LEAST they can/should do is keep quiet for now & let the US do what it has to do - what EVERY family does at least once a week -"take out the trash" by taking Saddam out of power. I'm not even hoping he is killed - I'd rather see him caught, tried & imprisoned for life.
I don't look at this as a WAR - I see it as a RESCUE - for us & the Iraqi citizens who live in fear or who die as "test subjects" for Saddam & his heinous acts. After all - killing 1 person w/nitrogen mustard gas isn't proof enough of it's deadly effects - he had to kill HUNDREDS of his people to be sure. Then there's his "parties" that he throws for select women - they're known as rape parties. Gosh - look at what a fun guy he is! Oh - if you disagree with him or defect & get caught, he gives you a REAL special treat - an acid bath that eats away the skin in just minutes. Yeah - I can see why we should leave him in power & turn our backs on these people who, unfortunatley call him their leader. He's leading them alright - straight into hell on earth. Thanks but no thanks - I want him dealt with - NOW - before any more Iraqi citizens become his toy.

 

Maybe not, But your my CowLady of the year

As far as ground zero is concerned, Iam a Union SteamFitter, and I worked GROUND ZERO the first night. It was something that I will carry to my grave. And it is something called "HATE" that I will harbor in my heart for a very long time

Peace Out, CL....love ya

 

Cowlady:

I applaud you and your post, speaking your mind and asking a very logical question.

However, I do not believe you will get a truthful answer to your question. The reason is there is no one who opposes the war that can answer your simple question of:

“how would you propose to disarm Iraq & remove Saddam from power? Negotiations haven't worked - neither have the inspections. Same goes for the sanctions we've had in place since the last war. Suggestions? Anybody?”

They have no logical answer to a very simple question. Sure they may try something along the lines of “Well, we are killing innocent people of Iraq” or “We are no better then terriost because President Bush is acting like one”.

In either case both of those answers are absolute non-sense and have no logic to them what so ever. No one is killing innocent Iraq people, we are not targeting them. Could some possible get killed? Yes, but many less then what get killed each and every day.

As long as Saddam is in power the death of innocent people of Iraq is “guaranteed” that is an undisputed fact.

As far as President Bush acting like a terriost, well that is purely a fantasy of liberals. You see liberals have no idea about terriost, they would not know a terriost if one came up to them and shoot them dead.

Terriost are cowards, they kill innocent people for absolutely no reason. Terriost sneak around, under cover and NEVER announce when, where and why they will attack.

In the case of America, we have basically been announcing what is going to happen for over 12 years. That is a big difference.

It would be interesting to see if anybody indeed tries to answer your simple question. I would imagine a few may attempt to do so after inhaling enough of good ol’ mother earths brain tranquilizing natural plant life.

We shall see. As I have said for myself time and time again, is that “time” will tell if I am correct or if I am wrong. If I am wrong I will admit it. I am willing to bet that those on the other side of the issue will NEVER admit they are wrong, it is not their nature to do so, because they lack creditability, charter, and moral values to do so.

Good luck with your quest Cowlady, and again a big salute from me on an excellent thread.

 

Anyone who opposes our taking out of terrorists and/or a terrorist regime, I would have to question whether or not they would have the fortitude to defend their own home against a robber/murderer. It is known that Al-qaeda had AT LEAST 2 camps in Iraq. Also, saddam personally paid homicide bombers' families for their deeds. I don't think an actual Iraqi would park a suitcase nuke or bio/chem weapon in a major city. But I do know that he would have been glad to 'finance' the delivery of such. In which case, you are a terrorist harborer/supporter. According to our laws, that makes you just as guilty as the one who actually commits the crime. Court adjourned.

 

Cowlady, this thumbs for your thoughts

Some California liberals were saying that GW was attempting an illegal asasination by targeting Sadaam

The man was wearing a uniform and there for a legitamite military target when this supposed asasination attempt took place.

Do these anti war liberals ever think before there lips flap?

 

Frank S:

You would be correct, these people would NOT defend their own home. They would try to "talk" to the bad guy, attempt to "understand" where they are coming from, and want to "feel" their pain.

Myself on the other hand, I own a shootgun. If someone comes breaking through my door they had better be screaming "FIRE" otherwise I will shoot them, don't care if they have a weapon or not. They will be shoot dead and when the cops get here they "will" have a weapon in their hand in case they forgot their own, a carefully placed kitchen knife...

 

Cowlady,

Well put. Though I support the right to freedom of speech that allows those against this to protest it, I do not support the disruption they are causing on the rest with blocking streets and protests becoming violent. I'm sure you heard about the one NYC rally in which the "peace advocates" dragged a cop off of his horse and began beating him. I haven't heard of any cases of the majority, those of us that support this action, taking part in any such disruption.

The problem here is apparent. The minority wishes to force the majority into changing it's opinion. They offer disinformation, innudendo and propaganda as a means to this, since reality doesn't support their arguments.


As for the whining democrats, I'm keeping a list. At such a point where people are in harms way this political mud slinging should cease immediately, and the country should rally around the President and support the troops. I'll help make sure that the record is clear on those that spoke out after committing people to this action. I hope this idiots dig their political graves, since most of them supported the same such actions when a democrat launched strikes with less evidence.



Semper Fi

 

I have posted on this subject several months ago, and I usually just lurk. Thought for the sake of this thread I would post my thoughts again.

CL's thoughts are worthy of a response, and I do not think they are flippant at all. I am a conservative Republican, a Bible believing Christian, and a patriotic American. I live in Texas, but have lived in Japan for several years.

I do not support Saddam, and do not have any illusions about his lack of morality. The Iraqi people are victims of the man, and not collaborators. I know this intro is long, but I want to make it clear that my objections to this war are not easy to express, and they are not without serious questions.

My biggest problem with this war is that it is fundamentally unilateral. In the first Gulf War, the entire world was on our side. We applauded for our bravery, strength, and morality in throwing the bum out of Kuwait, who, by the way, is not necessarily one of our closest allies.

I believe that a war would have eventually been necessary to get Saddam to back down. Essentially, that is tantamount to saying that the only way to get rid of the threat to world peace presented by SH would be to kill him.

But this time, we did not wait until most countries agreed that it had to be done. I understand that the French acted stupidly and in their own financial best interest. Nevertheless, the fundamental difference between the civilized and the uncivilized is the rule of law. We are dancing on the edge. I do not think that world opinion is against us because the world thinks SH is an innocent victim. I think the world is against us because we are not respecting the opinions of the rest of the world. We are "taking the law into our own hands", which I simply think was unnecessary.

Bush never made a compelling case that SH still had banned weapons. I am not saying that I believe that SH had/has clean hands, but I am saying that the case was not made.

Bush has made it look like this was never about disarming Iraq, but rather about finding an excuse to go in and finish the job that his dad started. A job that may very well need doing, but which Bush has not succeeded in proving to the rest of the world, in fact not to most of our traditional allies, that it needs doing. Many of our allies do not seem to be supporting us because they believe in the justice of our our cause, but rather they like to be on the winning side. In this light, (perhaps only this one!) the French almost look like moral giants, or at least not the moral wimps that they usually are. (never have liked the French...)

So, it is not that I think that the war may not be necessary, but I believe that we have gone about it in an embarrassingly arrogant manner, in a way that could tarnish our reputation for years to come. After the first Gulf War I was so proud. I am afraid that after this war, I will only be relieved.

So, in answer to CL, for me, I oppose the war, but the answers to your questions are the same. The timing and the attitude and the diplomacy seems all wrong to me.

In the meantime, I pray that we will quickly win this war we have started. Just as in Vietnam, once we start something, we ought to finish it right. This time, I hope we really do.

Just my 2 cents' worth, flame me if you want, but that's my story and I am sticking to it.

TS

 

great thread cl

 

Well guess if the news is correct in that at least 1 of the missiles fired into Kuwait was a scud missile, then I guess alot of people are inserting their foots in the mouths.

Steve - you make some very valid points. I think war was bound to happen with Iraq, but I do think that Bush could have got us to war in a different manner.


CL - I've learned that 95% of protestors only protest to bring some *meaning* or *cause* into there life. Typically the more b!tching that is done, the less real input that person has. I just wish the ones that actually had valid input were shadowed by ones without a clue.

 

the protesters should remember that these men and woman over there are fighting to maintain the right to protest!!



we do not need to be the worlds police, but we have to protect ourselves, and our interests around the world....final answer!