Disappointed with Ford towing
Why have Auto. Pilot? -Pilots dont know how to fly?
Originally posted by MechE
The reason semi-trucks and tractor trailers are going to automatic transmissions is because it is getting very hard to find new people that can drive a six speed with a 3 speed rearend. When its all automatic the only thing you have to teach new people is how to steer the big trucks. Same reason the Army requires new vehicles to be automatic. Noone has the time to teach everyone how to use a stick.
The reason semi-trucks and tractor trailers are going to automatic transmissions is because it is getting very hard to find new people that can drive a six speed with a 3 speed rearend. When its all automatic the only thing you have to teach new people is how to steer the big trucks. Same reason the Army requires new vehicles to be automatic. Noone has the time to teach everyone how to use a stick.
So is that why we have traction control and ABS too? People dont have to know how to brake or control a slippage? No. ~Its called *Progression*.
The reason is because this is the 22nd century and advancements in technology make it possible to have a Auto trans. that can handle the load of towing. The only reason the older trucks had more capy. with the manual was because of the Lack of technology to make a Auto. do it. Anyone that thinks a manual trans. is ~Thee~ way to tow is thinking backwards.
p.s.
Back to my original example; towing on a slippery launch ramp.
I drove a stick for many years and COULD control a stick on a launch ramp, but why? Drop that Auto. in 1st and ease on out
******ADVANCEMENTS!
Back to my original example; towing on a slippery launch ramp.
I drove a stick for many years and COULD control a stick on a launch ramp, but why? Drop that Auto. in 1st and ease on out
******ADVANCEMENTS!
Originally posted by bikenut
p.s.
Back to my original example; towing on a slippery launch ramp.
I drove a stick for many years and COULD control a stick on a launch ramp, but why? Drop that Auto. in 1st and ease on out
******ADVANCEMENTS!
p.s.
Back to my original example; towing on a slippery launch ramp.
I drove a stick for many years and COULD control a stick on a launch ramp, but why? Drop that Auto. in 1st and ease on out
******ADVANCEMENTS!
Re: Disappointed with Ford towing
Originally posted by kysard
2002 Dodge Dakota V8 5speed max tow rating = 6600lbs
2002 Chevy Ck1500 V8 5speed max tow rating = 4800 lbs
2002 Ford F150 V8 5speed max tow rating= 3400lbs
Folks this is sad and Ford should be ashamed,...
2002 Dodge Dakota V8 5speed max tow rating = 6600lbs
2002 Chevy Ck1500 V8 5speed max tow rating = 4800 lbs
2002 Ford F150 V8 5speed max tow rating= 3400lbs
Folks this is sad and Ford should be ashamed,...
Why is Ford's max towing 70% of the Chevy and 51% of the Dodge?
If the answer is Chevy and Dodge can build a clutch and Ford can't then just say it.
Originally posted by slmd97
I don't see how thats any better than dropping the 5 speed into 2nd and pulling it out.
I don't see how thats any better than dropping the 5 speed into 2nd and pulling it out.
I prefer electric windows, locks and everything else. The only real use for a Stick IMO, is in a sports car. (And thats only cuz its funner, not faster than a Auto.)
Originally posted by bikenut
Ok, the answer is:
Very few people care about the tow ratings of the stick...
Ok, the answer is:
Very few people care about the tow ratings of the stick...
... The auto. is where it matters and that is where Ford Shines....
I'll believe you, whats the data say? How many sticks to autos?
~~ If someone wants to explain to me go ahead, but I dont see any advantage of a stick to a auto. as far as towing is concerned.
~~ If someone wants to explain to me go ahead, but I dont see any advantage of a stick to a auto. as far as towing is concerned.
I would say its because the auto trans Ford builds today knows precisely when to shift based on speed and torque. The average driver can't compete with it. Remember, for everyone who says they can, there is someone who is worse than the average with a stick. One common problem is being in too high of a gear, which is hard on the valves.
I believe Ford has a tendency to use $s to sway the buyers decision one way or another. I think the V6 5sp will tow more than it is rated for, but Ford does not want to warranty any more that it is rated for.
What does the rating really mean. How much can be towed up hill, at 55, with the A/C on against the wind in 5th gear? You could pull a larger trailer down a flat road, but as was stated, you might be vulnerable in court in the case of an accident even though the vehicle itself is rated to handle more weight once you get it rolling.
I believe Ford has a tendency to use $s to sway the buyers decision one way or another. I think the V6 5sp will tow more than it is rated for, but Ford does not want to warranty any more that it is rated for.
What does the rating really mean. How much can be towed up hill, at 55, with the A/C on against the wind in 5th gear? You could pull a larger trailer down a flat road, but as was stated, you might be vulnerable in court in the case of an accident even though the vehicle itself is rated to handle more weight once you get it rolling.
Last edited by greencrew; Jan 27, 2003 at 09:04 PM.
Re: Disappointed with Ford towing
Originally posted by kysard
...I imagine there are a lot of people towing over the max with their V8 5speeds. I would never do that with out an upgrade. I have found that there is nothing you can do to the clutch to help.
If there was an UNDERDRIVE you could buy that would fit the problem would be solved, but no one makes one for this M5OD.
Someone has got to have found a fix to this, please share?
...I imagine there are a lot of people towing over the max with their V8 5speeds. I would never do that with out an upgrade. I have found that there is nothing you can do to the clutch to help.
If there was an UNDERDRIVE you could buy that would fit the problem would be solved, but no one makes one for this M5OD.
Someone has got to have found a fix to this, please share?
I don't have an answer for you but, wish you well because I was almost in your shoes. I bought a Full Size truck to tow and I wanted a stick. Fortunately, I found this site before I purchased and soon learned I couldn't have both otherwise, I would be driving a 4.6L 5 speed and pissed because I was technically over the limit everytime I hooked my boat to it.
Ill tell you this after 4 auto crap trannies in my 250 Ill never get one again. I only got this one due to the fact I couldnt find one with a stick I liked. My next one will definatley be a manual.
Originally posted by Swofford
Ill tell you this after 4 auto crap trannies in my 250 Ill never get one again. I only got this one due to the fact I couldnt find one with a stick I liked. My next one will definatley be a manual.
Ill tell you this after 4 auto crap trannies in my 250 Ill never get one again. I only got this one due to the fact I couldnt find one with a stick I liked. My next one will definatley be a manual.



