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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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how bad is this..

dads truck-2009 4 door short bed f250 5.4 4x4 automatic
grandads truck 2006 single cab long bed 5.4 4x4 automatic.

both pull 28' gooseneck trailers with a bulldozer weighing 20,000 pounds.

pulls just fine but is ALL the trucks want to do. what is the GVWR on trucks like these?

both have CDL's
 
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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http://www.new-cars.com/2009/ford/specs/super-duty.html
 
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Doesn't matter if they have a CDL, they're exceeding the weight ratings of the truck. They better hope DOT doesn't stop them.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2010 | 02:26 PM
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The 5.4L engine has a hard enough time just moving the empty truck around. Add 20,000 lbs on a trailer, and you have a recipe for disaster. You probably need an F450 to safely tow that monster. I think thats probably why they don't offer the 5.4L in the F450...
 
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Old Feb 28, 2010 | 08:23 AM
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Actually because the HAVE the CDL the fines are worse if they get caught. They are assumed to be professional drivers, so they should know the penalties and problems that can be caused by being overweight.


For a 20k bulldozer you're looking at an F650 or 750. An F450 or F550 are still too small. The GCWR for them is only 26,000, or 33,000 if you opt for the severe service option. That means the whole truck, trailer, and load have to add up to that weight or less. A regular cab F550 4x4 with an 11' steel flatbed weighs 10,000lbs. A 28ft gooseneck capable of hauling 20k is going to weigh between 5,000 and 6,000lbs. That means you can legally haul about 11,000-18,000lbs. The only way you could legally haul that load with a 450 or 550 would be to strip the truck down as light as possible (regular cab, 2wd, 9ft bed, aluminum flatbed) and you might gain that extra ton of capacity you need. The only problem is that 450s and 550s don't like towing that heavy. I've pulled that heavy with one before and that is a hard load to handle.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2010 | 07:51 PM
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hire a lowboy or get a bigger truck. if they hit someone and hurt them with that load on there they could be in some serious legal trouble
 
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Old Mar 1, 2010 | 02:07 AM
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Post up your phone number so when we drive we can see if you are on the road.
 
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Is it possible that the dozer weighs less than 20k?
I'm just askin' - I'm not trying to impugn characters here.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by freekyFX4
The 5.4L engine has a hard enough time just moving the empty truck around. Add 20,000 lbs on a trailer, and you have a recipe for disaster. You probably need an F450 to safely tow that monster. I think thats probably why they don't offer the 5.4L in the F450...
no ****...the 5.4 is a complete toilet, even in a 150 its pretty bad...
 
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaairman
Doesn't matter if they have a CDL, they're exceeding the weight ratings of the truck. They better hope DOT doesn't stop them.
Originally Posted by freekyFX4
The 5.4L engine has a hard enough time just moving the empty truck around. Add 20,000 lbs on a trailer, and you have a recipe for disaster. You probably need an F450 to safely tow that monster. I think thats probably why they don't offer the 5.4L in the F450...
Originally Posted by powerstroke73
Actually because the HAVE the CDL the fines are worse if they get caught. They are assumed to be professional drivers, so they should know the penalties and problems that can be caused by being overweight.


For a 20k bulldozer you're looking at an F650 or 750. An F450 or F550 are still too small. The GCWR for them is only 26,000, or 33,000 if you opt for the severe service option. That means the whole truck, trailer, and load have to add up to that weight or less. A regular cab F550 4x4 with an 11' steel flatbed weighs 10,000lbs. A 28ft gooseneck capable of hauling 20k is going to weigh between 5,000 and 6,000lbs. That means you can legally haul about 11,000-18,000lbs. The only way you could legally haul that load with a 450 or 550 would be to strip the truck down as light as possible (regular cab, 2wd, 9ft bed, aluminum flatbed) and you might gain that extra ton of capacity you need. The only problem is that 450s and 550s don't like towing that heavy. I've pulled that heavy with one before and that is a hard load to handle.
Originally Posted by bjp207
hire a lowboy or get a bigger truck. if they hit someone and hurt them with that load on there they could be in some serious legal trouble
ive told them TIME and TIME again this is WAY illegal..and i got the "well we usta tow with 6 cylinders" blah blah blah im actually surprised it will actually move with that kinda weight

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Post up your phone number so when we drive we can see if you are on the road.
what does this have to do with me???

Originally Posted by FlipBumWalla
Is it possible that the dozer weighs less than 20k?
I'm just askin' - I'm not trying to impugn characters here.
dozer weighs right at 19k with about a 1500 pound brush scraper or some crap on the front

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no ****...the 5.4 is a complete toilet, even in a 150 its pretty bad...
haha yea..like i said im surprised it even moves
 
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