2011 Ford Scorpion 6.7 Liter Diesel!
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From: Stone Mountain, GA., USA
1976 = 0
2006 = 30
2011 = 35
It might be time @ 35 to cash in and move on up to even newer stuff! It will depend on how my lovely wife likes the house and her ride at that time though
I have read 18 on long trips, and I am over 14 on 50/50 trips. 12-14 around town. Though now in my 30s I am driving softer
If I step on it hard I can get it down in the single digits
2006 = 30
2011 = 35
It might be time @ 35 to cash in and move on up to even newer stuff! It will depend on how my lovely wife likes the house and her ride at that time though
I have read 18 on long trips, and I am over 14 on 50/50 trips. 12-14 around town. Though now in my 30s I am driving softer
If I step on it hard I can get it down in the single digits
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6.0 and 6.4
i have the answer for all you die hard ford guys.... drop in a cummins.... i used to be a ford guy, i was one of the first to have the first year of super duties in Arizona, (it was a crew cab short bed 99 with the 7.3 ) and had no problems, i sold it the next year for a crew cab long bed with the 7.3 and after 350 miles hauling 4 Quads up a hill the transmisson quit. when we got it to the dealer ford blamed the entire thing on us for pulling heavy loads.( which we didnt since we had just picked it up 2 days before, a thousand pounds should be nothing for a diesel right???) they wanted us to pay for it... we fought them for 6 months before ford finally paid for the repairs. i have heard many compliants about the 6.0 and 6.4 ( also that every time i get into a superduty something breaks...lol) i loved fords... i had nothing wrong with them except the drivetrain.... if it wasnt for that i would not love dodges.... the only thing keeping me with dodge is the cummins, and that i refuse to give money to a company who will not take the blame for their screw ups
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i have the answer for all you die hard ford guys.... drop in a cummins.... i used to be a ford guy, i was one of the first to have the first year of super duties in Arizona, (it was a crew cab short bed 99 with the 7.3 ) and had no problems, i sold it the next year for a crew cab long bed with the 7.3 and after 350 miles hauling 4 Quads up a hill the transmisson quit. when we got it to the dealer ford blamed the entire thing on us for pulling heavy loads.( which we didnt since we had just picked it up 2 days before, a thousand pounds should be nothing for a diesel right???) they wanted us to pay for it... we fought them for 6 months before ford finally paid for the repairs. i have heard many compliants about the 6.0 and 6.4 ( also that every time i get into a superduty something breaks...lol) i loved fords... i had nothing wrong with them except the drivetrain.... if it wasnt for that i would not love dodges.... the only thing keeping me with dodge is the cummins, and that i refuse to give money to a company who will not take the blame for their screw ups
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From: Vernon, NY
I can't agree enough... I'm still rolling around whether I want to buy a 7.3l PS F250 or a 5.9l I6 Cummins 2500... I kind of like the older Dodges, but the body work doesn't seem to want to hold up to NY's climate, unfortunately.
Tough situation..
The 6.0 and 6.4 diesels are a total joke, especially the 6.4..
Tough situation..
The 6.0 and 6.4 diesels are a total joke, especially the 6.4..
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"Power targets are said to be more than 390 horsepower and 720 pounds-feet of torque."..is the muscle car era coming back? Massive horsepower/Torque becoming available to the public to buy for a bargain while fuel costs sky rocket.
"Scorpion fuel economy is expected to improve by 3 mpg or more versus the current Power Stroke."...great now it will get 11 mpg city
If ford can just manage to make this one a reliable work horse then they'll have quite a motor on their hands.
..is the muscle car era coming back? Massive horsepower/Torque becoming available to the public to buy for a bargain while fuel costs sky rocket."Scorpion fuel economy is expected to improve by 3 mpg or more versus the current Power Stroke."
...great now it will get 11 mpg cityIf ford can just manage to make this one a reliable work horse then they'll have quite a motor on their hands.
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I will be buying the new diesel in 2012 when the bugs are worked out. Should eb a beast of a motor.
You guys are feggting a few things about the ford diesels. There are more failures of a 6.0 than a 7.3 plain and simple. The thing though is that what most people forget is that the 6.0 outsold the 7.3 tremendously. I can't remember the sales figure my delaer tols me but It was around 35-40% more. This means in order to ahve a fair comparison on repairs between the 6.0 and 7.3 that you would ahve to deduct the 40 percent extra 6.0 superduties. I mean it only makes sence that a 6.0 superduty that dramamtically outsold the previous superduty is going to need repairs more. The 7.3 was killed was because it couldnt pass the new emissions testing; plain and simple. I mean the fact that the new 6.4 has 600 ft/pds and all the emisions crap on it is a triamp to technology in my eyes. Loose the dpf and get custom tunes and that is one bad truck.
Now cummins, 6.0 and 7.3 all have there place and I ahve owned them all. the cummins and 6 speed I had(2001) was a great combo. Once I got rid of my stock cltuch it was a towing king with that granny first gear. The problem was that the rest of the truck was fallign apart. It waas rusted(both doors) rattled squeeked and generally a piece of crap. I had to rebuild both axles and it still was a peice of junk besides the motor.
I had a 2001 7.3 dually and let me tell you how much of a peice of crap that automatic trans was. It never shifted right and towing you were just asking when it was gonna fail. The 6.0 trans is so much better. Also my turbo leaked so much oil yet the dealer could never find the problem. I sold this truck after 2 months of use.
My current 06 6.0 has been great so far. It has had on problem and that was a cloggedegr valve. I mean 3 years and 70,000 miles and its first repair is a clogged egr valve. pretty good in my eyes. The trnas is awesome with its deep first gear to get the load moving. It has so much more power than the 7.3 its a hotrod. With a little custom tunes my truck runs 13's in the 1/4 and can tow a trailer ont he way home. This has been my favorite truck by far. The only design flaw in my eyes is using head bolts instead of head studs. This would alleviate 90% of the problems in my eyes. Getting rid of the emission stuff(egr) would eliminate all of the issues from people letting their trucks idle all day.
My take on the diesel market is 99% of the problems are owner induced. Many 6.0 owners never let them warm up and beat the crap out of them. I feel there are many people who never owned a 6.0 or 6.4 because they are takign what the read on the internet to be fact and not opinions. Their are many people that take the 5.9 cummins to be god above diesel but even they ahve their problems. My opinion is if you buy any diesel truck get an oasis report on it and check out its history. Every manufacture has lemon trucks; then buy the truck of your brand and choice and drive it. People spend way to much time worrying about what could happen instead of what has happneed to their vehicle.
You guys are feggting a few things about the ford diesels. There are more failures of a 6.0 than a 7.3 plain and simple. The thing though is that what most people forget is that the 6.0 outsold the 7.3 tremendously. I can't remember the sales figure my delaer tols me but It was around 35-40% more. This means in order to ahve a fair comparison on repairs between the 6.0 and 7.3 that you would ahve to deduct the 40 percent extra 6.0 superduties. I mean it only makes sence that a 6.0 superduty that dramamtically outsold the previous superduty is going to need repairs more. The 7.3 was killed was because it couldnt pass the new emissions testing; plain and simple. I mean the fact that the new 6.4 has 600 ft/pds and all the emisions crap on it is a triamp to technology in my eyes. Loose the dpf and get custom tunes and that is one bad truck.
Now cummins, 6.0 and 7.3 all have there place and I ahve owned them all. the cummins and 6 speed I had(2001) was a great combo. Once I got rid of my stock cltuch it was a towing king with that granny first gear. The problem was that the rest of the truck was fallign apart. It waas rusted(both doors) rattled squeeked and generally a piece of crap. I had to rebuild both axles and it still was a peice of junk besides the motor.
I had a 2001 7.3 dually and let me tell you how much of a peice of crap that automatic trans was. It never shifted right and towing you were just asking when it was gonna fail. The 6.0 trans is so much better. Also my turbo leaked so much oil yet the dealer could never find the problem. I sold this truck after 2 months of use.
My current 06 6.0 has been great so far. It has had on problem and that was a cloggedegr valve. I mean 3 years and 70,000 miles and its first repair is a clogged egr valve. pretty good in my eyes. The trnas is awesome with its deep first gear to get the load moving. It has so much more power than the 7.3 its a hotrod. With a little custom tunes my truck runs 13's in the 1/4 and can tow a trailer ont he way home. This has been my favorite truck by far. The only design flaw in my eyes is using head bolts instead of head studs. This would alleviate 90% of the problems in my eyes. Getting rid of the emission stuff(egr) would eliminate all of the issues from people letting their trucks idle all day.
My take on the diesel market is 99% of the problems are owner induced. Many 6.0 owners never let them warm up and beat the crap out of them. I feel there are many people who never owned a 6.0 or 6.4 because they are takign what the read on the internet to be fact and not opinions. Their are many people that take the 5.9 cummins to be god above diesel but even they ahve their problems. My opinion is if you buy any diesel truck get an oasis report on it and check out its history. Every manufacture has lemon trucks; then buy the truck of your brand and choice and drive it. People spend way to much time worrying about what could happen instead of what has happneed to their vehicle.
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I will be buying the new diesel in 2012 when the bugs are worked out. Should eb a beast of a motor.
You guys are feggting a few things about the ford diesels. There are more failures of a 6.0 than a 7.3 plain and simple. The thing though is that what most people forget is that the 6.0 outsold the 7.3 tremendously. I can't remember the sales figure my delaer tols me but It was around 35-40% more. This means in order to ahve a fair comparison on repairs between the 6.0 and 7.3 that you would ahve to deduct the 40 percent extra 6.0 superduties. I mean it only makes sence that a 6.0 superduty that dramamtically outsold the previous superduty is going to need repairs more. The 7.3 was killed was because it couldnt pass the new emissions testing; plain and simple. I mean the fact that the new 6.4 has 600 ft/pds and all the emisions crap on it is a triamp to technology in my eyes. Loose the dpf and get custom tunes and that is one bad truck.
Now cummins, 6.0 and 7.3 all have there place and I ahve owned them all. the cummins and 6 speed I had(2001) was a great combo. Once I got rid of my stock cltuch it was a towing king with that granny first gear. The problem was that the rest of the truck was fallign apart. It waas rusted(both doors) rattled squeeked and generally a piece of crap. I had to rebuild both axles and it still was a peice of junk besides the motor.
I had a 2001 7.3 dually and let me tell you how much of a peice of crap that automatic trans was. It never shifted right and towing you were just asking when it was gonna fail. The 6.0 trans is so much better. Also my turbo leaked so much oil yet the dealer could never find the problem. I sold this truck after 2 months of use.
My current 06 6.0 has been great so far. It has had on problem and that was a cloggedegr valve. I mean 3 years and 70,000 miles and its first repair is a clogged egr valve. pretty good in my eyes. The trnas is awesome with its deep first gear to get the load moving. It has so much more power than the 7.3 its a hotrod. With a little custom tunes my truck runs 13's in the 1/4 and can tow a trailer ont he way home. This has been my favorite truck by far. The only design flaw in my eyes is using head bolts instead of head studs. This would alleviate 90% of the problems in my eyes. Getting rid of the emission stuff(egr) would eliminate all of the issues from people letting their trucks idle all day.
My take on the diesel market is 99% of the problems are owner induced. Many 6.0 owners never let them warm up and beat the crap out of them. I feel there are many people who never owned a 6.0 or 6.4 because they are takign what the read on the internet to be fact and not opinions. Their are many people that take the 5.9 cummins to be god above diesel but even they ahve their problems. My opinion is if you buy any diesel truck get an oasis report on it and check out its history. Every manufacture has lemon trucks; then buy the truck of your brand and choice and drive it. People spend way to much time worrying about what could happen instead of what has happneed to their vehicle.
You guys are feggting a few things about the ford diesels. There are more failures of a 6.0 than a 7.3 plain and simple. The thing though is that what most people forget is that the 6.0 outsold the 7.3 tremendously. I can't remember the sales figure my delaer tols me but It was around 35-40% more. This means in order to ahve a fair comparison on repairs between the 6.0 and 7.3 that you would ahve to deduct the 40 percent extra 6.0 superduties. I mean it only makes sence that a 6.0 superduty that dramamtically outsold the previous superduty is going to need repairs more. The 7.3 was killed was because it couldnt pass the new emissions testing; plain and simple. I mean the fact that the new 6.4 has 600 ft/pds and all the emisions crap on it is a triamp to technology in my eyes. Loose the dpf and get custom tunes and that is one bad truck.
Now cummins, 6.0 and 7.3 all have there place and I ahve owned them all. the cummins and 6 speed I had(2001) was a great combo. Once I got rid of my stock cltuch it was a towing king with that granny first gear. The problem was that the rest of the truck was fallign apart. It waas rusted(both doors) rattled squeeked and generally a piece of crap. I had to rebuild both axles and it still was a peice of junk besides the motor.
I had a 2001 7.3 dually and let me tell you how much of a peice of crap that automatic trans was. It never shifted right and towing you were just asking when it was gonna fail. The 6.0 trans is so much better. Also my turbo leaked so much oil yet the dealer could never find the problem. I sold this truck after 2 months of use.
My current 06 6.0 has been great so far. It has had on problem and that was a cloggedegr valve. I mean 3 years and 70,000 miles and its first repair is a clogged egr valve. pretty good in my eyes. The trnas is awesome with its deep first gear to get the load moving. It has so much more power than the 7.3 its a hotrod. With a little custom tunes my truck runs 13's in the 1/4 and can tow a trailer ont he way home. This has been my favorite truck by far. The only design flaw in my eyes is using head bolts instead of head studs. This would alleviate 90% of the problems in my eyes. Getting rid of the emission stuff(egr) would eliminate all of the issues from people letting their trucks idle all day.
My take on the diesel market is 99% of the problems are owner induced. Many 6.0 owners never let them warm up and beat the crap out of them. I feel there are many people who never owned a 6.0 or 6.4 because they are takign what the read on the internet to be fact and not opinions. Their are many people that take the 5.9 cummins to be god above diesel but even they ahve their problems. My opinion is if you buy any diesel truck get an oasis report on it and check out its history. Every manufacture has lemon trucks; then buy the truck of your brand and choice and drive it. People spend way to much time worrying about what could happen instead of what has happneed to their vehicle.
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I will be buying the new diesel in 2012 when the bugs are worked out. Should eb a beast of a motor.
You guys are feggting a few things about the ford diesels. There are more failures of a 6.0 than a 7.3 plain and simple. The thing though is that what most people forget is that the 6.0 outsold the 7.3 tremendously. I can't remember the sales figure my delaer tols me but It was around 35-40% more. This means in order to ahve a fair comparison on repairs between the 6.0 and 7.3 that you would ahve to deduct the 40 percent extra 6.0 superduties. I mean it only makes sence that a 6.0 superduty that dramamtically outsold the previous superduty is going to need repairs more. The 7.3 was killed was because it couldnt pass the new emissions testing; plain and simple. I mean the fact that the new 6.4 has 600 ft/pds and all the emisions crap on it is a triamp to technology in my eyes. Loose the dpf and get custom tunes and that is one bad truck.
Now cummins, 6.0 and 7.3 all have there place and I ahve owned them all. the cummins and 6 speed I had(2001) was a great combo. Once I got rid of my stock cltuch it was a towing king with that granny first gear. The problem was that the rest of the truck was fallign apart. It waas rusted(both doors) rattled squeeked and generally a piece of crap. I had to rebuild both axles and it still was a peice of junk besides the motor.
I had a 2001 7.3 dually and let me tell you how much of a peice of crap that automatic trans was. It never shifted right and towing you were just asking when it was gonna fail. The 6.0 trans is so much better. Also my turbo leaked so much oil yet the dealer could never find the problem. I sold this truck after 2 months of use.
My current 06 6.0 has been great so far. It has had on problem and that was a cloggedegr valve. I mean 3 years and 70,000 miles and its first repair is a clogged egr valve. pretty good in my eyes. The trnas is awesome with its deep first gear to get the load moving. It has so much more power than the 7.3 its a hotrod. With a little custom tunes my truck runs 13's in the 1/4 and can tow a trailer ont he way home. This has been my favorite truck by far. The only design flaw in my eyes is using head bolts instead of head studs. This would alleviate 90% of the problems in my eyes. Getting rid of the emission stuff(egr) would eliminate all of the issues from people letting their trucks idle all day.
My take on the diesel market is 99% of the problems are owner induced. Many 6.0 owners never let them warm up and beat the crap out of them. I feel there are many people who never owned a 6.0 or 6.4 because they are takign what the read on the internet to be fact and not opinions. Their are many people that take the 5.9 cummins to be god above diesel but even they ahve their problems. My opinion is if you buy any diesel truck get an oasis report on it and check out its history. Every manufacture has lemon trucks; then buy the truck of your brand and choice and drive it. People spend way to much time worrying about what could happen instead of what has happneed to their vehicle.
You guys are feggting a few things about the ford diesels. There are more failures of a 6.0 than a 7.3 plain and simple. The thing though is that what most people forget is that the 6.0 outsold the 7.3 tremendously. I can't remember the sales figure my delaer tols me but It was around 35-40% more. This means in order to ahve a fair comparison on repairs between the 6.0 and 7.3 that you would ahve to deduct the 40 percent extra 6.0 superduties. I mean it only makes sence that a 6.0 superduty that dramamtically outsold the previous superduty is going to need repairs more. The 7.3 was killed was because it couldnt pass the new emissions testing; plain and simple. I mean the fact that the new 6.4 has 600 ft/pds and all the emisions crap on it is a triamp to technology in my eyes. Loose the dpf and get custom tunes and that is one bad truck.
Now cummins, 6.0 and 7.3 all have there place and I ahve owned them all. the cummins and 6 speed I had(2001) was a great combo. Once I got rid of my stock cltuch it was a towing king with that granny first gear. The problem was that the rest of the truck was fallign apart. It waas rusted(both doors) rattled squeeked and generally a piece of crap. I had to rebuild both axles and it still was a peice of junk besides the motor.
I had a 2001 7.3 dually and let me tell you how much of a peice of crap that automatic trans was. It never shifted right and towing you were just asking when it was gonna fail. The 6.0 trans is so much better. Also my turbo leaked so much oil yet the dealer could never find the problem. I sold this truck after 2 months of use.
My current 06 6.0 has been great so far. It has had on problem and that was a cloggedegr valve. I mean 3 years and 70,000 miles and its first repair is a clogged egr valve. pretty good in my eyes. The trnas is awesome with its deep first gear to get the load moving. It has so much more power than the 7.3 its a hotrod. With a little custom tunes my truck runs 13's in the 1/4 and can tow a trailer ont he way home. This has been my favorite truck by far. The only design flaw in my eyes is using head bolts instead of head studs. This would alleviate 90% of the problems in my eyes. Getting rid of the emission stuff(egr) would eliminate all of the issues from people letting their trucks idle all day.
My take on the diesel market is 99% of the problems are owner induced. Many 6.0 owners never let them warm up and beat the crap out of them. I feel there are many people who never owned a 6.0 or 6.4 because they are takign what the read on the internet to be fact and not opinions. Their are many people that take the 5.9 cummins to be god above diesel but even they ahve their problems. My opinion is if you buy any diesel truck get an oasis report on it and check out its history. Every manufacture has lemon trucks; then buy the truck of your brand and choice and drive it. People spend way to much time worrying about what could happen instead of what has happneed to their vehicle.
So you're telling me that in just 5 years of service (2003-2007) the 6.0 sold more than the 7.3 did which has been around since 1988?
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I believe they actually began building them in 1999. I was not talking about all the generations of the 7.3 because that was 15 years. I was talking the newer superduty and not the older body style; well I guess I technically am the older body style now. Anway Ford had what 15 years to perfect the 7.3. I mean if they can't perfect a motor in over a decade the shouldnt be in buisness. It better be one reliable motor after that long that they had to profect the motor.
Another reason that the ford superduty's became real popular around this time locally is this was when people found out that you could hot-rod these trucks and get tons of power out of them. Diesel was cheaper than gas and just made them more and more popular. I mean 80% of all superduty's are diesel for a reason. I still stay strong in my belief that most of diesel problems are slef induced by the driver. Tommorow I am hauling a 29 foot clamming boat with my lifted truck so I may have to picutre to show what the inferior diesel engine is capable. I am even running stock gers with my 38's which hurt my low end.
well good luck to everyones diesel out there. The prices ey charge to fix diesel engines are astronomical these days. I mean if I can be swaping turbos and changing egr valves with no schooling on the motor they shouldnt be charging 100 dollars an hour. Well I guess thats why I am cheap and do everything myself besides when its covered under my bumper to bumper warranty lol
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I've got around 124,000 miles on my 6.0 and not a problem yet(knock on wood). Like jonny said most ppl that talk crap about the 6.0's have never had one and if they have they are the ones who usually caused the problems. Don't get me wrong I love the 7.3's and the 6.0s have their probs but some times you have to read between the lines with what ppl say. my truck is a little weak on the pulling side but she will fly and in stock form too!! I can't imagine what she would do with a little help..
As far as the new 6.7 I will be the first to trade mine in no matter what. I guess I will be the ginney pig for everyone else. I like my navaistar, but would rather have all ford. I like the cummins but I would rather be the odd ball and have a ford 6.7 that eats d-maxs and cummins. Instead of the same ol same ol. About fuel millage on the 6.4 most of what I hear is 11-15 and getting better and that would mean 14-18 on the new ones which is not bad.
As long as ford builds a truck I will have one either be a 150 or 2/350.
As far as the new 6.7 I will be the first to trade mine in no matter what. I guess I will be the ginney pig for everyone else. I like my navaistar, but would rather have all ford. I like the cummins but I would rather be the odd ball and have a ford 6.7 that eats d-maxs and cummins. Instead of the same ol same ol. About fuel millage on the 6.4 most of what I hear is 11-15 and getting better and that would mean 14-18 on the new ones which is not bad.
As long as ford builds a truck I will have one either be a 150 or 2/350.
