No more than any other new vehicle with subsequent updates and changes. This one is getting more press; new hot and marketed! Almost every vehicle gets updates and changes like this especially in the first 1-2 years.

Look at the changes the Expedition got from 1997 each year up to about 2001. Some not that significant but some that were.

 

Hi Merlin

Based on FR list showing changes to the 04-6L, will early Job1 engines have those updates? If indeed these changes do occur then.....

Knowing that, wouldn't one want all these upgrades on his new 40K+ 04-6L, even if one has to wait awhile? I know i sure would. The 04 6L is the newest guinea pig, that's for sure. JMO!

Hey FR/FR2, gotcha! Same here. Got started here sometime ago..still interesting. I sometimes wonder if the old saying "ignorance is bliss" does not apply to me...think i was doing better before i started reading all this stuff!

Curious where you got update on 04-6L engine?

Good luck...OT

 

I know for sure the Saleman I talked to wishes I didn't know what little it did I pointed out the oil drip and alittle history. He didn't know what to say.

Finally at one point, he looked at me with a grin and cut his eyes and said "where are you learning all this?" It's funny when you know more than they do, or at least know what they do but won't talk about.

I've got a doc from Ford. I can email it but it's about 10 Mb. Let me know if you want it and I'll send it your way.....I got it from the Ford body builder site. I have a couple other ones I downloaded from Ford.com with the 2004 changes in Trucks and SUV's. I was glad to see the 2004 Excursion gets wireless headsets.

 

I'll let everyone know about my truck when i get it. I won't be expecting it till early october. Fresh off the line, hopefully ford has gotten everything straight, it seems like its getting better, and they are getting the bugs out. I went to a different dealer today and got a better price. The other dealer i went to was a complete idiot. I got this quote as follows

04 lariat Crewcab,6' bed, 6.0 psd,5 speedauto,TT mirrors & heated,heated seats,ajustable pedals,fx4,3.73 limited slip,bodyside moldings,reverse aid,cab lights, and shift on fly 4x4.

$39500.00 with 250 deposit 1400 taxes


I was looking at the '04 F-150. Those are nice, but i think they're a little over priced, supercab 4x4 with some options is around 37k.

I think you get your moneys worth for the F-250.

The only way i would consider another F-150 is with a diesel.


And i would rather push a ford then drive a dodge. I could care less if they have a 70,000 warranty, anyone that i have known of that has had a mopar product had a broken tranny, or power locks and windows don't work after 2,000 miles and never work properly through-out the ownership.

 

Bikenut,

The turbo isn't a complete redesign if they are only adding 3 additional vaines. Maybe it is and Ford's only letting us know what they think we perceive is a good thing.

There are alot of other small changes to the motor but it seems to be different enough that these changes can not be retro fitted to the '03 and early '04 PSD. From one of the posts over at the TDS, I get the feeling that not all these changes are a good thing. This person seems to think that it's all emissions related and it might cause a lose in power. That would suck if power went down.

I'm happy for you that you got a free extended warrenty but I'm not sure how good it will be unless you have a major failer. I'm seeing posts over at TDS where Ford reps and service depts are telling people to live with the BH leak, AC not getting cold and other stuff. Also Ford burned me once on my '99 Expy.

I got the head gasket leak at 37K miles and they declined any assistance in fixing it. Betcha that it started b4 36K because there was way too much old that had leak out even thought the leak was super slow. I did get lucky in that I switched to a different brand of oil and the leak completely stopped over time. I dodged a big bullet there.

I still perfer Fords but I won't buy a PSD until the bugs are all worked out and right now I don't see it happening any time soon. Because I didn't see an end is the reason I looked at Dodge. So unless a miracle happens within the next 2 months, I'll be sitting in a Dodge, hopefuly with a big old grin.

Wish me luck!!!

- Dae

 

I just purchased a 2003 Superduty with the 6L. It runs and runs and runs. I am interested though in why it doesn't jump off of the line. My brother has a 2002 with the 7.3 and is much quicker off of the line. Once mine gets going it really flies though.

I only have 150 miles on the engine... does this have something to do with break in, or do I have one of the lemons?

This is my first diesel after several F150's. I am a little nervious after reading all of the posts. Someone please give me some insight.

Thanks.

 

The new 6.0 hasn't needed an updated turbo or injectors to kick the crap out of every other diesel in it's class in every comparative test so far, so what's so bad about it?

 

Im thinking the 7.3L has better take off from zero just because of its 1.3L advantage. I agree, it does take off the line better, but is very short lived before the 6.0L takes the lead. (assuming both motors are bone stock Mach )

 

Hi Merlin

Congrats. I think price quoted you is VERY realistic/reasonable.JMO! Time will tell if all the new upgrades to 6L are/will be worthwhile/improvement over 03?

Chyatt...Welcome! Click on www.thedieselstop.com Its all there. Try not to get paranoid

My first d., so i'm not the greatest at explaning...so others feel free to jump in here...my version: why dosent it jump off the line? Some do/some dont. Some have dead pedal, where hardly any power under 1800 rpm is made.

2nd...more common..mine does this..If you go easy (normal) on go pedal, it takes off just fine/incld. towing. Now, if you floor bd. it..you may feel a slight hesitation under 1800/2K. Once at 18/2K rpm..turbo. kicks in, you can tell This hesitation is referred to as "turbo lag". Apparently thats normal.

Some say there is to much travel in go pedal before engine makes power. I do not know if thats normal, but have noticed that on mine...just guessing..1/2-3/4"? pedal movement before engine makes power. These changes take place fast, but are noticeable if your paying attention or know what your looking/feeling for. Not a problem for me, but sure different than gasser.

These PSD trucks are heavy. Mine is 7400#. Cant say it jumps off the line but its certainly no slouch. Of course for me my modding days are over, so this one stays stock. Only have 2750mi. but doing ok. minor glitches that i can live with for time being.

Good luck...OT

 

Chyatt,

I wouldn't say you have a lemon but what you are experiancing seems to be common. Like many, your not seeing much power below 2000 rpms. From what's being posted over at TDS, it looks like Ford is saying that is how it was designed. It's causing alot of grief for people that bought the early '03s that had good lowend power but lost it after a reflash. The biggest question from people with low end power to Ford is why does it not have more power with the new program especially since Ford has been advertising that it has more power throughout the RPM range compared to the 7.3 PSD? That I feel is going to be a tough question for Ford since before the updates in calibrations started, the 6.0 had tons of power. I remember when the 1st one started appearing on dealer lots where people to use to say how they could do burnouts. If Ford really did decrease the lowend power for whatever reason, they may endup with a case like the Cobra Mustangs where they had to replace or update the motors to meet advertized specs. My suggestion for you is to go over to TDS and read whats going on. BTW if you haven't read already Fords been getting alot of bad press on the '03 6.0. There was just another article in the Detroit Free Press. http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/...0_20030820.htm

 

Heres my take guys, sorry if I misled anyone...

The 7.3 is twenty year old school bus MEDIUM duty diesel(different class then the new small displacement, pollution engines)..

It has globs of torque off idle, Even in the DETUNED state that Ford puts them in the SD...

OK, now the world decides that diesels are pollutors and the new move by the big three is to minimize pollution, so a NEW generation of small displacement engines are born...

So to compare 20 year old technology that is detuned in the pick-up and say it kicks it...Is somewhat in-accurate...

The 6L is a maxed out(except for a chip) engine from the factory the 7.3 is detuned from its regular state...

Fact-the power curve of a Stock(but not Ford stock) International 7.3 is earlier and faster then the late model new small displacement pollution-free 6L...

Its very difficult to compare the two...So yes, IMHO the 7.3 in the ford trucks are at a very big disadvantage...in the STOCK state...