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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 11:10 AM
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Clogged/bad cats?

So I recently fixed an issue with a bad MAF. The truck (05 5.4l) was running with +50% fuel trims on both banks, for probably a year. I don't think it was actually running lean, it was just dumping fuel in because of the MAF. Replaced the MAF and trims are pretty good now but I think the cats got clogged, here's why I think they are:
Hesitation/slight bog on hills or acceleration.
The voltage oscillation on sensor #2 both banks is the same as sensor #1. Shouldn't it be sitting close to .5v without much fluctuation?
Fluttery sound from exhaust
obd catalyst temps on both banks is 1300-1650 anytime im on the gas (2000rpm+)
no codes though.

Does it sound reasonable that they are clogged and need to be replaced?


 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 12:26 PM
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You can take it to a muffler shop and have a backpressure test done.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 12:42 PM
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Ok cool, I may do that if this deal falls through but I saw a local guy is selling new cats for $100 so I thought I might as well replace mine for that price. Only issue is that I have the 2 cats and these are 4 cats (early 2005 vs later models?) Would it be an issue replacing my 2 cat system with the 4 cat system?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 01:52 PM
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2wd and 4wd use different cats. They should work if they fit and the O2 bungs are in the right place.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 04:27 PM
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The voltage oscillation on sensor #2 both banks is the same as sensor #1.
Well, that alone indicates the cats ain't converting. Should eventually get P0420/P0430 DTCs.

obd catalyst temps on both banks is 1300-1650 anytime im on the gas (2000rpm+)
Useless "data". Ignore.

 
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Old Apr 13, 2023 | 08:24 PM
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IMHO...avoid cheap cats... the oems are really very high quality. What I can suggest is before you go through the work of R&R the cats, try a bottle of rislone cat cleaner. I use this multiple times in our older vehicles especially prior to doing our biennial smog tests and I can say it definitely works cleaning out the cats!

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Old Apr 15, 2023 | 09:14 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions. I also did a engine vacuum test and it was 19 in-hg at idle and dropped to like 14-15in-hg at a steady 2000rpm. That is indicative of clogged cats too right?
 
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There are three ways to diagnose a faulty catalytic converter:

1. Vacuum Test

Before conducting this test, you’ll need a vacuum gauge.
Follow these steps to conduct a vacuum test:
  • Set the car to neutral or park.
  • Connect the vacuum gauge to a direct vacuum line, like the direct intake manifold.
  • Start up the car and allow it to idle until it reaches prime operating temperature.
  • The vacuum gauge should return a reading of 18-22 Hg.
  • Start accelerating and allow the car to reach around 2500-3000 rpm.
  • The vacuum gauge reading should reduce before returning to the previous level. If it takes a long time to reduce, you likely have a bad catalytic converter.

2. Temperature Test

To perform a temperature test, you’ll need any type of thermometer, like an infrared or kitchen thermometer.
  • Start your vehicle and allow it to reach optimal operating temperature. Take it for a short drive to let this happen.
  • Set your vehicle to park or neutral.
  • Measure the temperature at the inlet pipe that connects to the front of the catalytic converter. Repeat for the outlet pipe, which connects to the rear of the converter.
  • If the front temperature is the same as the rear temperature, it means that there is an issue with the catalytic converter.

3. Back Pressure Test

For this test, you’ll need a back pressure gauge.
  • Start by removing the front oxygen sensor and replacing it with the back pressure gauge.
  • Start the car and note the reading of the back pressure gauge. A reading between 0-3 PSI is normal.
  • If the reading is around 8 PSI, your catalytic converter is clogged.
  • Reinstall the oxygen sensor.
 
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