ok now i know they dont offer much for performance. But how much do they change the sound?

 

If your going to spend ANY money on headers, spend the little more for LT!

 

i agree. ^
No point spending the money if all you get is sound.

 

My only concern is moving my cats and o2s with the long tubes I will have to do some research

 

There is tone change and a power increase, but not as much as LT's. I'm going to go with shorties one day because I don't want to have half my exhaust rebuilt, and they are a hell of a lot easier to install.

 

^ ah... part of the fun!!

 

Not when you only have basic tools, no lift, no jack stands, and no way of fixing it if you screw up!

 

That's why I was looking at shorties exactly

 

yeah i agree^
I don't think shorties are THAT much easier to install?

 

i will be doin shorties soon, hopefully with in a month. i would like to do lt but theres no way i can afford it plus extra exhaust work. so i really hope the shorties give me the sound im looking for.

 

I have a set of shorties....sitting in my room lol. one day when i get a minute to put them on ill let uk how much if any increase in power and sound I get.

 

all i had was a tire change jack and some bricks incase it fell took the tires off. have a basic set of 118pc sockets and a 20pc wrench set. i only had to buy a swivel and a 12 Point 8MM socket for the headbolts

in prob about 5-6 hours total of work i had my shorties off and my longtubes on. its pretty easy to run stuff after. just put a cat behide the collector cut and lengthen your o2's or buy the wire extenders. pretty easy to do LT's i think shorties were more of a PITA because i fought with the EGR for ever. on the LT's i just pluged it

 

Mine don't have an EGR

 

ah you guys are 04+ never done it on those heard its a PITA

 

Lol ya ik that's all I've heard. Reallly lookin foward to it now!