Ok guys dont burn me for any of these questions, but i am wondering whats better S&B or voolant why i am wondering this is because voolant has the scoop and makes sense how it would pull more air into it. Also if i get the S&B, p.s. i have 05 f150 with 4.6 no other mods, Do i have to get tunes whats the deal about the lean issues i dont want to do anything that harms my mottor.

For the pullies what the heck do they do i see every body gets them and the way troyer puts it its for road use. Do they help with more torque or hp. Because i pull alot and deffinetly deal with a alot of traffic idk if that affects the point in them. Any help would be great you guys thanks.

 

What are you talking about this tube? The S&B and Volant are basically the same design, except the Volant has been shown to choke above 3,000 RPMs. So go with the S&B, it's cheaper and better.

If you add an air intake, than you'll need tunes. Otherwise you run the risk of getting a lean condition. It's very possible to be running lean without even knowing. I had it happen to me. I was running lean and never through a CEL. So with that said, my recommendation is to get a Xcal2 or Xcal3 from VMP Tuning.

As far as the pullies. I'm going to assume you're talking about the underdrive pullies, correct? If so, they reduce parasitic drag from your accessories like the A/C and power steering, freeing up more power/torque. I've got them on my Mustang and didn't notice a change in A/C or power steering but I could tell the increase in performance. I think they are a good idea. I think I'd get E-Fans before them though.

 

I would not do pullies. Reduces engine cooling. I think e-fans and pullies are great paper mods or for light duty use, not daily driver work horses.

 

THe lean issue is for the 3v ONLY. You have a 2v 4.6 in your truck cr. You will not burn lean at all.

The UDP`s work in a couple ways. One they slow down the serpentine belt so it uses less power in turning your accessories like AC, power steering etc. The crank pulley itself will also take roughly 4-5 pounds off your crank as well freeing up a little more power. Most kits have a Water pump, and alternator ODP (Overdrive pulley) and they compensate for the smaller crank pulley. Since I have put mine on the truck is a little freer reving and the power steering is a little sluggish off idle.

 

for the cai, the tube im talking about is the scoop they sell extra for voolant and banks makes it for theres, Yes i do have the 4.6 can anyone verify that i won't run lean because tuner is a little expensive on top of that i want the edge because it gives everything like temps and rpms to milage just everything i want. for the efans they kinda scare me because your dealing with engine temps and i payed to much to mess it up. as for the pullies what are the bad things for them how do they affect temp there wasnt a fan pully with at least the one i saw

 

What would E-Fans mess up? Do you realize how many cars come with them from the factory? If it's a quality kit than you have nothing to worry about. As far as the pulleys, it's usually just two, no fan pulley.

No one can give you a black and white answer on if you will run lean or not. It's something that has to be tested with a A/F wideband. The 3Vs are more susceptible to the lean conditions compared to the 2Vs but I've seen it a few times. Can you post a picture of this "tube"? I have no clue what you are talking about.

If you have to have gauges, which you really don't since they are just "dummy" gauges, get the Gryphon not the Edge. The "canned" tuning on the Edge, sucks. I had it on my 2004 and my 2006 F150. I ended up having so many problems with it that couldn't be fixed by Edge that I ended up getting a custom tuned Xcal2. All of those problems were non-existent with the Xcal2 and custom tuning. The Gryphon is the exact same thing as the Edge, just re-labeled and it's custom tuned or you can get the SCT Livewire. Both of them have gauges and can be custom tuned which is the most important thing. The great thing about the SCT stuff is that if you sell your truck, you can re-use it as long as the vehicle has a ODBII port. All you have to do is get new tunes. It's a lot cheaper than having to buy a whole new programmer. If you don't need gauges than just buy the SCT Xcal2 or Xcal3 which will be ~$400.

 

how do they go about doing a custom tune, they need your truck right? so if that so the edge and Gryphon are made by the same company i was just going to get a used one for 300 and not use the canned tunes i was going to do custom any way. how do the fans no when to pick up speed and stuff or do they just run the same speed all times? i also do a lot of pulling so i have to watch my temps and stuff.

 

custom tunes: you tell them what is done to your truck they use their knowlege and do the best they can to tune for your truck.

dyno tuning is the best option to make most power and to get everything perfect but not needed.

i put CAI on my 07 4.6 and honestly didnt notice a difference in power until i had my custom tuning. Bill at PHP i believe made the edge but he only deals w/ the gryphon now. he does the same thing as VMP and Troyer with custom tuning. you get 3 tunes. i had an edge and my truck broke down twice so i got rid of it. Thumper is always going to tell you to use VMP and ill second that. VMP tuning on my truck made a huge difference. it was $400 shipped to my door from him. if you spend $300 on a used edge i think its $75 to recase it as a gryphon and i think you get 3 tunes with that plus you have to pay shipping their in back. if gauges dont matter to you i would get a xcal 2 or 3 from vmp.

 

I have flex a lite e-fans on my 07. I deal with 115 degree days here and have been in stop and go traffic in Phoenix with temps hitting 120. I have never had any overheating issues. The way the fans turn on is they are connected to your a/c so everytime your a/c is on the fans come on at 60 %. There is also a temp sensor that goes into your radiator that turns your fans on to 100% power as you need it even when you are stopped in traffic, that is something stock fans can't do.

 

Mymudd, I thought the FAL only fit the pre 04 trucks? Does your set up have the shroud and was it made to fit the 07 with no modifications? I would like to do fans again but want a shrouded set up and reliable controls that mount in a good location and didn't think they exist.

 

i have a 2002 with 4.6l auto
i just added a cold air intake, superchips 1715 tuner, and custom flowmaster exhaust duals dumped under rear of truck reduce little backpressure, i can tell you add those 3 things and thats all you'll need, it woke my truck up major. i enjoy the extra power and the deep throaty sound the air intake makes when punched to the floor, sounds like a 4 barrel carb, not a throttle body. i have pics of intake, its a ebay intake, easy to install afteri got step by step instructions, and it cost $50.00 i have had no probs with my set up, i also boughyt my tuner off of ebay, new it cost $379.00 i paid $148.00 shipped. try there first for your goodies, i bid on sevral before i won one. great performance for the price trust me. our motor stock have 231 hp i believe, my friend dodge has a 4.7 with 230 hp, we have a race this week end at track, stock we ran identical, but now i beleieve i can put a little gap between us.
need pics email me , intake looks and funtions awesome!
ron1978@comcast.net

 

BlackDawg look into flex a lite 270. They fit with no mods. This is what most people are using on the F-150's. I know a lot of guys who have them on the newer body styles with no problems.

 

Does the Gryphon show your engine horse power?

Heres the link to the ram air tube, http://www.4wheelparts.com/Ram-Air-S...&t_pn=VOL39854

 

Mymudd, thanks I liked the 270's for several reasons but always thought they were pre-04. I'll check them out further. I should clarify that e-fans do provide good benefits IF you can feel confident they will work year after year. I want something OEM design and quality after having a set up that failed several times (controls) and hearing about many problems with various set ups.