The scoop does bring in cool air from the front of the truck! It does not pressurize the box! You will see air temps at the throttle body only 5 -15 degrees higher than the outside temps! We have measured open airboxes at 50 - 70 degrees above outside temps. We have also seen plastics we used on earlier intakes actually melt in late summer (which confirms underhood temps). We continue to look at new technologies and materials availlable to us. Like the Powercore!

We highly recomend the scoops! Look at our competitors they are starting to do a good job of copying us! We try to stay One step ahead.

My 2 cents!

 

I think it's time to give up and get the S&B, at least you will get some pleasure out of it.

 

Unfortunate it still 'lies down' above 4,000 rpm.

Unfortunate it still requires a MAF TF correction, to be totally safe on 04+ F150's.

Please fix those issues, and you'll have a competitive product; I've no issues with the construction, appearance & quality of materials ( except as noted below).

The context for the above two statements are only a simple Search away. As a Site Sponsor, I'm going to assume that would not present a problem.

The MUCH more troubling aspect to me is your reference to early designs 'melting' in the engine bay. This is appalling, and it casts doubt on your product's credibility.

Even a layman like me, if presented with the challenge of designing something required to live in an extreme environment such as an engine compartment, would have taken steps to instrument a representaive vehicle and measure temps, vibration, etc within the entire breadth of the operating envelope. THEN, choose a suitable composite, comfortably able to withstand & survive said environment. To me that's common sense. The fact that you observed a failing part within said envelope is extremely troubling. How, then, can I rely on any other claims you may make, when something this fundamental was overlooked ? What other (bad) assumptions have you made?

When I showed this to two Materials scientists here at work, they about pissed themselves. This does not qualify as 'Staying One Step Ahead'.

I grant that, to your credit, you did admit this occurred. And you are, presumably, looking at improvements - one would hope with better target applicaton data to back that up lol. But the simple fact is, the situation should NEVER have occurred.

I'd appreciate hearing your response to this, as it's rather indefensible, IMHO.

For the OP - I feel real sorry for ya ... nah - salesemen should know to do the research first - avoids a bad purchase decision later. lol.

 

Bump - I'm waiting, CoolAir.

 

me to

 

I was simply refering to a first generation plastic lid. In 1999 we had a plastic lid that failed an August, 120+ degree heat wave in Phoenix AZ. We had to replace a few of them.

Unexcusable? Give me a break! Maybe it's best not to be honest? Let me know, do you want it straight or with a twist?

Cooooool Air

 

I want it straight - as I've given it to you. Note above that I recognized your candor, BTW.

Yes - it's still appalling, because it shows a lack of attention to detail and a disregard for actual vehicle usage. 120 degrees -- big deal - you don't think there are as hot & hotter places on this planet where these trucks are used? Give ME a break. God forbid it be a CRTICAL part that failed, like perhaps the filter/tube junction - that would, literally, suck. lol. And - you don't see anything else in that engiine bay failing under duress under those conditions. Like it's okay for one of your intake components to melt....

And is not your lid material the same as your tube material?

And - please address those other two items I tabled. Because I doubt your R&D efforts went far enough on this particular platform. Care to tell us exactly how many different 04+ F150's you tested on? More than two? (K&N used approx two - lol). Were you aware of the pre-existing lean condition on many 04 and 05 F150's right out of the factory? How were you planning on handling that? These are just a few of my easy questions - I'll get to the harder ones later.

Thanks.

 

I decline to answer th above Questions

 

I think MGD scared the new sponsor away

 

No. I think he's just still looking & burying. [j/k]

I asked reasonable questions and brought up rational concerns.

I am not compelled to 'pull' my punches just because of a title.

When independent testing reveals shortcomings in a product that are not acknowledged by said manufacturer, how is this to be considered in the best interests of the prospective buyer? Answer - it's not.

Improved performance across the board is possible - competitive products prove this. As well, avoiding negative effects on the MAF TF is also possible. And where it isn't avoidable, BY DESIGN - as is the case with AF1's 3.5", and JLT's Ram intakes, the forthright manuacturers specify unequivocally that a custom tune modification to MAF TF is necessary for safety.

Volant's products for the 04+ Triton V8's have been independently tested & confirmed to require the aformentioned adjustments, just as it has been documented that there are issues with power above 4,000 rpm. Rather than sweep this under the rug, the product should be fixed - plain & simple. Because said fix is within the realm of possibility. Any other course of action does not serve Joe Q Public, and is NOT acceptable, IMHO.

Bottom line - I really don't think they were prepared for the vast platform variances in the F150 product line. The same variance that gives aftermarket tuners fits.

I'm done - it's a free-market society - y'all can make yer own informed decisions. I guess I'm not enamoured to fancy marketing and Flash-enabled ad content.

*** My perspective only - take it or leave it. ****

Any response is Volant's call. I'm still amenable.

bubba

 

Seriously, in your opinion, do you think the Volant I put on will cause problems... Seriously, I want your thoughts and opinions.

 

 

Thanks, but I don't schmoke lol



No. I think you'll be fine. You have nothing to compare it to but the stock intake.

However, if you ever get an opportunity to dyno the truck, please do so.

I just wanted to express my opinion and perception of the facts, as I see them.

Thanks.

Bubba

 

The people worrying about hydrolocking their trucks during daily driving makes me laugh. I drove a lowered Honda Civic with a cold air intake for years and never had any problems. That was several feet lower to the ground there.

Unless you're doing off-roading or driving through lakes I can't see anyone ever hydrolocking their truck.