300mah accessory - how long till a dead battery?

Old Jun 2, 2010 | 12:16 AM
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300mah accessory - how long till a dead battery?

I'm designing a hidden camera system for the cab of my '05 f150. It'll be triggered via a relay on the ACC wire to turn on only when the truck is off. It has a motion detector and will only record when someone's in the truck.

It consumes approx 300mah at 5v. How long do you think I could leave the truck off and it on before I'll have starting issues?
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:20 AM
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The other question is how much power is the voltage conversion going to use.

What you are using to convert the 12 V to 5V is going to use power as well ( some are very inefficient ), and you could go from 0.3 ah to 1.0 + ah usage depending on the product.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SSCULLY
The other question is how much power is the voltage conversion going to use.

What you are using to convert the 12 V to 5V is going to use power as well ( some are very inefficient ), and you could go from 0.3 ah to 1.0 + ah usage depending on the product.
I was planning on cannibalizing an old cell phone charger that provides 5v at up to 850mah. It seems like many electronic devices run on 5v dc. The plug I was going to use doesn't get warm so I don't think it's wasting power. I've been googling and can't seem to find anything about the consumption of most adapter/voltage regulators, only the out put power of various models.

Any guess as to the waste in the conversion? Maybe 100mah??? (complete guess)
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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Hello.

Just rambling out loud here, but don't you mean ma (not mah)?

Anyway - normal quiescent draw is in the 50ma range, and that will not discharge the battery for several days. If you scale this by a factor of 6, you could probably still go a good while (depending on ambient temps, battery type/age/condition, etc). Overnite for example. But not for very long periods. Pehaps up to a week, but that's pushing it. Here's a good thread on this: https://www.f150online.com/forums/el...elp-600ma.html


However, might I offer a small design change? Why not trigger your device via a pulse ( or edge trigger) from the door switches (unless you figure folks are gonna break the windows and crawl in without opening a door, lol).

If you build a one-shot monostable using Cmos or low-power 555's it will draw onlymicroamps while monitoring the door switches (and a glass breakage sensor optionally). Upon trigger, this in turn can be used to energize a small relay to activate yer device. You can determine the turn-off delay, or get fancy and turn off at the next door switch edge.

Just a thought - lots of possibilitiies.

W.R.T power supplies - if you use a good switching regulaor the efficiency is high ; ~80%.

Good luck.

MGD
 

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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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Hello.

Just rambling out loud here, but don't you mean ma (not mah)?

MGD
...perhaps.

Thanks for the info. I've been considering using a relay off the dome light or similar but I'm not sure about the boot up time of the DVR until I get it and start screwing around with it. If it boots up quickly, that would certainly solve the battery life issue.

I'm adding an alarm as well so perhaps I could use a relay off an output on the alarm, again provided the DVR boots fast enough.

Thanks for the info. I have just enough knowledge of electrical stuff to be dangerous so any input from you guys is quite welcome and appreciated.
 
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:02 PM
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There are battery monitors that turn off the accessories when the battery dips to 10.5 volts or so. Plug one of those in and forget about it. here is a typical unit. http://www.powerstream.com/battery-protector.htm

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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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There are battery monitors that turn off the accessories when the battery dips to 10.5 volts or so. Plug one of those in and forget about it. here is a typical unit. http://www.powerstream.com/battery-protector.htm

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Nice, JMC

Although, you may want to use one of the higher voltage cutoffs - 10.5 v = DEAD battery





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