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Old May 22, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Wanting Power windows in XL trim

Curious about installing electric windows in my 04 4x, XL trim, after growing tired of eight complete revolutions to move the glass and no easy way to roll the pass. window.
I want to make it look factory, with panels, switches, etc. Know I'll need regs, motors, harness. Thought about replacing the entire door to get the package and save set-up aggravation.
What I want to know is about the existing fuse panel. Looking at my panel, I have a few of the fuse contacts, but not all are installed. Also, is the loom accessible and is it going to be plug and play in the panel?
Is there and aftermarket kit that is competitively priced and complete?
 
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Old May 22, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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You would have to get a fuse panel from a bone yard to pull the fuse contacts out, and install them in your fuse panel.
The wiring you would have to add yourself.

This is one case where a kit might be easier and cheaper. You would need the door panel, the switches, and the pigtails for them in the door as well

If you want the factory look I guess bone yard surfing might be a cheaper route. I looked briefly at replacing the door panels on my Lariat with the FX4 ones ( can't stand that 70's coffee table look wood grain ), but I decided after pricing them it was not worth the cost. Cost was high enough for the center trim panel and the ashtray to the wave pattern.
 
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Old May 23, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Adding fuse terminals is pretty simple; just time-consuming. Click my black Bronco in my sig & look thru that album. It's shown in detail for 2 older styles of fuse block, but yours will be very similar to the 2nd.

I've added PW/PL/PM... to my Bronco & several other vehicles, so it CAN be done. But junkyards don't like to sell parts out of doors, so it could take some time to find ONLY what you need that way. Look for damaged doors that have a few good parts left in them & just keep collecting until you get enough. Complete doors are VERY valuable to JYs, and it takes some effort to install/align one, so I don't think you should try that.

I'm not a fan of aftermarket parts, so I don't recommend that, either. They can be more difficult to install than stock stuff, and they're almost always less-reliable. And if something DOES go bad, you're stuck ordering a complete new kit - they don't usually offer replacement parts. If you use Ford stuff, you can get replacements at any junkyard or most parts stores.
 
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Old May 29, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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PW install info thanks

The project is tabled until I can get funding and sounds like a pile of work too! Thanks for the info and the pictorial. Informative yet daunting.
Need to make a friend of junkyard owner quickly! Either aftermarket or recycle is going to be money and time consuming. Might be simpler to buy another truck...like mine too much; scrap that.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 03:50 AM
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I have actually acquired doors and wiring harness from a 99 f150 XLT that I am looking to put in to my truck. The doors have PW PL and PM on them. Does anyone have any idea (diagrams,pics, etc would be awesome) how to go about putting them on my powerless truck? I am hoping to just splice the necessary wires into the existing power system, but I am unsure of the exact wires needed due to the fact that the GEM module and connectors that were in the parted out truck will not work for my 97 (it is truly a stripper, not even an XL so from what I have read, it's a PITA to add). One touch down would be awesome, but right now I am just hoping to get everything hooked up right. Also, if I acquire the proper GEM and fuse block, (from a 97 XLT) are there wires that will still need to be added? Any help would be appreciated!!!
 

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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 08:15 AM
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You are correct, the 1997 to 1999 GEM do not cross.

The thing you need to watch on finding a 1997 parts truck, is if it had a factory alarm in it. This is part of the RAP ( Remote Anti theft Personality ) module. The door locks are integrated into the RAP for the keyless entry via the fob, if you are interested in that feature.

If you do not care about the OTD feature, you could make what you have with the Power windows work, that section of the switch would be dead, without switching the GEM. It would require some modification to the harness.

If you find a 1997 with power windows, then the fuse slots would all be populated, you would just have to make the harness from the central junction box ( aka CJB / cab fuse panel ) to the doors.

If the 1997 parts truck does not have the PW, you will have enough parts to populate the CJB with the 2 of them.

Finding the correct GEM will be the hard part.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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It's not difficult to add the older remote OTD module from a ~'98 Taurus/CV, or to wire up those newer motors & switches like '80-96 F-series/Broncos.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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i added aftermarket power windows to my truck.. imo they ook stock and most people wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't stock unless you own an f150 yourself.. check my progress thread in sig for pics.
 
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 06:04 AM
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So, let me see if I am understanding this correctly, I can bypass the GEM module and feed the switch directly, but I won't have the OTD feature...But if I find the GEM and fuse box, it would essentially plug into the connectors passing throught the firewall and I would only have to add the necc. wires from the module to the doors (aka, the actual door harness)... Like I mentioned above, OTD is not a neccessity, so I am probably more interested in bypassing the OTD feature as long as the windows and locks would work after being fed directly. I really am not interested in buying a whole aftermarket kit if I don't have to, I already have doors, motors, and a harness for the PW,PL and PM. THanks for your help guys!!!

BTW, Grafix, your truck is probably one of the best white F150's I've seen...
 

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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 06:54 AM
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Steve83 mentioned that the OTD function is not in the GEM on the '98 Taurus/CVs. Might be worth a look at that route.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 03:10 AM
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I have manged to find an OTD module (www.webelectricproducts.com, has install instructions on site for mustang hookup however) that will work for this application, does anybody have the correct hookup list for the swap, from the wiring I have, there are 4 wires from the GEM module that I need to figure out where to hook up. I see GRY (matches to OTD function), TAN/LT BLU (Up on the Switch), WHT/BLK (Down Function on switch) and ORG/WHT (From One touch Relay to Motor). Do I hook the up and down wired straight to power, or do I need to run them through something else? Which wire do I splice the OTD module in (GRY or ORG/WHT) and what am I supposed to hook the remaining wire into. I think I have been staring at these diagrams too long and I am probably making this harder than it needs to be. I do have a working knowledge of electrical systems, but I am really beginning to confuse myself... Any help is appreciated
 
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 06:39 AM
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Don't think that is what you want.

Those are for converting power window switches that do not have a OTD function, to one that does ( without changing the switch ).

You have a switch that already has the OTD input, and need to match it to the OTD module from a ~'98 Taurus/CV.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 06:58 AM
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Well, I've aquired the module from a crown vic. Does anyone have a wiring diagram that I can use to do the swap. I have the crown vic diagram and the truck diagram, but neither a very good and I am having trouble telling what the function of each wire is. All the diagrams tell me is that they enter the GEM ar OTD module, but from there I have not a clue. Also, where is a good circuit to tap power from (ACC of some sort I'm guessing). Thanks for the help
 

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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Post the diagrams so we can see what you see.
 

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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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I'm at work right now, but I will upload them as soon as I get home.
 
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