I HAVE A 2000 F150 WITH 2 WORKING KEYS BUT CANNOT PROGRAM ANY OTHER KEYS. I HAD 4 OTHER KEYS CUT BY 2 DIFFEREND DEALERS AND THEY ALL COULD NOT GET THEM TO WORK SO IT IS NOT ME DOING IT WRONG IN PROGRAMMING THEM, IT IS THE TRUCK.. AND BOTH FORD DEALERS SAY THEY HAVE TO REPROGRAM IT SO THEY ALL WORK..
ANYWAY, IF I TAKE THE CHIP OUT OF THE WORKING KEY WHERE CAN I TAPE IT SO IT WILL WORK WITH ALL THE KEYS I NOW HAVE??? I HAVE A LITTLE TAB ON MY KEY AND CAN POP IT RIGHT OUT SO IF ANYONE KNOWS WHERE TO TAPE OR GLUE IT SO ALL MY KEYS WILL WORK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. PLEASE POST HERE. THANK YOU. :o

 

I'm not 100% positive, but I think it needs to be close to the ignition cylinder....you know the thing that you put your key into.

Anywhere close to that, about the same distance as the chip is when it's still hooked to the key, should work.

 

Almost forgot..........

 

I don't know what you mean by CUT a key. I bought a couple of keys from my Ford dealer but they are already pre-cut and ready to program. I put one in and it would not start the engine so I proved that they had to be programmed. I think I had to program the new keys like the procedure shown here for 1998 and newer vehicles.

On-Board Programming Method "C".

At the bottom is a note that says:

"As a precautionary measure for all of the above procedures, you should wait at least one minute after you have performed this until you start your vehicle."



http://www.fordf150.net/howto/patskey.php

 

here so people dont get lost here..
SAY I HAVE ONE PATS FORD KEY THAT WORKS. I GO TO A HARDWARE STORE AND GET 3 REGULAR $1.50 KEYS CUT FOR MY TRUCK. YES I KNOW THEY WILL NOT WORK WITHOUT THE PATS KEY. WELL MY QUESTION IS::::
WHERE CAN I MOUNT THE PATS KEY UNDER OR IN THE COLUM THAT THE PATS SYSTEM WILL READ THAT KEY SO MY REGULAR KEY WILL START MY TRUCK??? I JUST DONT WANT TO WASTE 2 HOURS FINDING A PLACE IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE TO PUT IT.

 

You probably cannot tape the chip out of your key and expect reliable operation. Car alarm installers doing remote start will use a transponder box. An uncut PATS key is placed inside the transponder box under a receiver and then an antenna is routed up the column and looped around the ignition cylinder. That is how remote start on PATS vehicles is done. I would look into something along those lines.

 

Or, try taping it to several areas around the ignition and see if it works?

What's the worst thing that could happen?

You might run out of tape?

 

Ok After 1 Hour Today Of Putting The Pats Ket Everywhere Near Or In The Steering Colum I Cannot Get It To Work. Is There A Place To Put This That It Will Work Or Is Everybody Wrong?? Help Help

 

I don't think laying the key by the Ign is going to cut it for completing the PATS circuit.

I don't know about all remote starters, but the one with the Ford and the Code Alarm ( who makes the one for Ford ) use an inductive ring around the ign switch under the steering wheel coulmn cover.

Dumb question, when the dealer cut the keys and tried it, did they check ( via the WDS or NGS ) that the SPARE KEY PROGRAMMING SWITCH parameter is in the ENABLE configuration ?

Via a WDS or NGS the HEC can be programmed to not allow additional keys to be programmed. Usually this is rental car companies and fleet vehciles.

The other question, are you the origonal owner ?
If not, maybe there are 8 keys already programmed into the truck, and you are trying to put in 9 & 10 ? This means follow the single key prgrammign method, and needing to erase all the keys, and add back in the 2 you have, and the new ones ( shop labor time, what they were going to do to add in teh ones they cut ).

Those are the only configuration reasons why a new key cannot be programed into the HEC.

The only other explaination would be a bad PATS transponder reader, but I would think this would also exhibit proglems with starting the truck sometimes ( maybe I should ask, does it start all the time no problem ? ).

 

hi. you might be onto something. it was a fleet truck and they might have did what you said with the (wgs or ngs) how do i tell that??? is there a way for me to fix it so i could program them???? i now have 4 non programmed keys and 2 working keys. if you know how to try the (wgs or ngs) please fill me in. i would love to get the keys working.. thank you

 

Sure. The quick way is to have the dealer check the parameter, and set it to enable ( don't ask me why neither found this, kind of does not bode well for the guy(s) that worked on it either time.

The way for you to do it yourself. Go to a NGS or WDS mfgr ( Hickok for NGS ) and buy the NGS XL Transponder Programmer. This is what a lock smith would have. Retail on them is about $ 2500.00. In realistic terms, no you would not do it yourself.

Look in the phone book for the larger Lock smiths, and call and ask if they have one of these ( or the WDS ) and work on Ford PATS vehicles. Tell them the truck you have was a fleet vehicle, and it seems the key limit setting is on it, and it needs to be removed.
Here is the NGS info :
http://www.hickok-inc.com/ngs/ngslock.html

sorry, but it looks like time to crack open the wallet to smeone, I would try a lock smith, as both the dealers you went to are complete morons.

 

actually, yes you can take the chip out and place it near the ignition cylinder, dont ask me how as i do not know i havent done it, but when i had trouble with my remote start and the bypass the alarm installer mentioned that it was easy to just use the chip out of the key but i told him no thats okay we will just work with the bypass.... and also theres plenty of guys on the f150 forums that have done it.

what you really should do is just order uncut chipped keys from ebay (i bought mine for 9 dollars each) take them to walmart and have them cut them for you. Then program them yourself its VERY VERY easy but requires your 2 original keys to program them.

if i remember correctly i did it like this:
put one key in turn it to on position (not start) for 3 seconds then off
within 10 seconds put your other key in and turn to on position (not start) for 3 seconds, Then put your new cut key in and start the truck with it... let it run for a few minutes or so... very very easy... but be sure u buy the uncut chipped key for Your vehicle as in 99-03(04 heritage) or whatever year you have...

the other thing is you can get a tune that deletes the pats :-)

 

For reliable operation this would require purchasing something like the Securilok Interface Kit. These are around 45.00 in cost, and I don't know for sure if it would without the remainder of the remote start. I have not seen a post in 4 years that made that claim, but then again if you could post the thread, I might learn something new. The other thing, why go to the trouble of spending money to Bastardizing the Anit Theift system, when getting the Securilok interface is about half the cost of getting the problem corrected, from the posts, the way is should be.

2 Diffferent dealers made the keys and tried programming them. What makes you think that getting keys from eBay is going to be any different. Same key mfgr, cut correctly, won't program by 2 different dealers or him, seems it is not a RTFM / operational problem if 3 people cannot get them to program.

Now that is just plain non sense.
A tune from something like a Xcal2 is loaded on the PCM, the Securilok has to do with the HEC / CSM. The PCM and the HEC are not the same thing.
Where did you get that information from ?

 

SScully is right-on with this one. It's got to be one of two things: Either the option is disabled, and being a fleet vehicle, I could see that being done to prevent an unscrupulous employee from duplicating and programming his own key to steal the vehicle, or the system is already full and can't accept an additional key.

The dealership can hook it up to the WDS scanner and program the keys in 30 minutes. Many of the local locksmiths have the same capability now too. I found that, for my Explorer, the dealership only charged $35 where the local locksmiths wanted an hour at $75/hr.

-Joe

 

yea i dont think just putting the key or chip by the colum or in it works. i have wasted like 3 hours trying and no luck. i have read in other places on the web and some here to of people doing this but either it dont work on my truck or they are full of it.
so if anyone knows for real where to put it tell me. i have tried almost everywhere and nothing seems to work for me.