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Event Data Recorder
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Had no idea where to post this...but someone with 03 model:
Saw this posted on another site...New in 03 Ford trucks and maybe other models.."Event Data Recorder" listed in owners guide book.
Suppose to record all kinds of things that can be accessed/downloaded and reviewed. Driving habits, mods. and others. Also appears to be some changes to the OBDII?
Thread said not gov. mandate, but OEM/installed by Ford. Didnt really say if in the PCM or another computer?
Is this for real or hookum?....if for real...is this "BIG BROTHER"?
Tks. OT
Had no idea where to post this...but someone with 03 model:
Saw this posted on another site...New in 03 Ford trucks and maybe other models.."Event Data Recorder" listed in owners guide book.
Suppose to record all kinds of things that can be accessed/downloaded and reviewed. Driving habits, mods. and others. Also appears to be some changes to the OBDII?
Thread said not gov. mandate, but OEM/installed by Ford. Didnt really say if in the PCM or another computer?
Is this for real or hookum?....if for real...is this "BIG BROTHER"?
Tks. OT
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Hi OT,
Actually, Ford service departments have had the ability for years to connect an external data recorder as an aid to troubleshooting intermittant & other issues, and OBD-II itself has not changed, as you mentioned. As time goes on, automakers in general get more sophisticated with all manner of controls, powertrain included. This is really geared towards aiding technicians in diagnosis & troubleshooting, more than any "Big Brother" mindset.
The EEC-V PCM has not changed (aside from the Levanta variant seen in the 2002 Focus SVT & a few other vehicles), but Ford is introducing the Black Oak processor in more and more models as time goes by, it first went into the Lincoln LS, then in the 2002 Explorer/Mountaineer & 2003 Expedition. Historically, each new generation of processors (OBD-I, OBD-II, etc.) has better diagnostic capabilities, certain levels of which are mandatory minimum as set forth by law, I.E., OBDI & II.
The important thing to remember is the same as it always has been, you have the right under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act to use whatever parts you want to on that vehicle as long as what you do does not *damage* the vehicle. So for those who want to maintain their factory warranty they simply need to select their modifications wisely, choose modifications that are not going to damage the vehicle. Beyond that, it's only common sense to do business with a dealership whose service department is intelligent and reasonable, and maintain a good friendly relationship with them.
I haven't had a chance to read a 2003 F-150 owner's manual, but I have read the dealership service training materials for the new model year. I don't recall it mentioning anything new for SBDS or WDS service diagnostics over the 2002 model year, though it's been a couple of months since I read that material..............
We're working on getting 2003 F-150's in for R&D currently, of course it's early in the model year and this is something that is done every model year, so a coupla months from now we'll know far more than we do currently about any control changes, etc., as we get our hands on more and more '03's
Speaking of which, if anyone has a 2003 F-150 that they'd like some free dyno tuning on, all they need to do is get in touch with us & we'll make the arrangements, it's that time again as happens each year for new model year R&D!
Actually, Ford service departments have had the ability for years to connect an external data recorder as an aid to troubleshooting intermittant & other issues, and OBD-II itself has not changed, as you mentioned. As time goes on, automakers in general get more sophisticated with all manner of controls, powertrain included. This is really geared towards aiding technicians in diagnosis & troubleshooting, more than any "Big Brother" mindset.
The EEC-V PCM has not changed (aside from the Levanta variant seen in the 2002 Focus SVT & a few other vehicles), but Ford is introducing the Black Oak processor in more and more models as time goes by, it first went into the Lincoln LS, then in the 2002 Explorer/Mountaineer & 2003 Expedition. Historically, each new generation of processors (OBD-I, OBD-II, etc.) has better diagnostic capabilities, certain levels of which are mandatory minimum as set forth by law, I.E., OBDI & II.
The important thing to remember is the same as it always has been, you have the right under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act to use whatever parts you want to on that vehicle as long as what you do does not *damage* the vehicle. So for those who want to maintain their factory warranty they simply need to select their modifications wisely, choose modifications that are not going to damage the vehicle. Beyond that, it's only common sense to do business with a dealership whose service department is intelligent and reasonable, and maintain a good friendly relationship with them.
I haven't had a chance to read a 2003 F-150 owner's manual, but I have read the dealership service training materials for the new model year. I don't recall it mentioning anything new for SBDS or WDS service diagnostics over the 2002 model year, though it's been a couple of months since I read that material..............
We're working on getting 2003 F-150's in for R&D currently, of course it's early in the model year and this is something that is done every model year, so a coupla months from now we'll know far more than we do currently about any control changes, etc., as we get our hands on more and more '03's
Speaking of which, if anyone has a 2003 F-150 that they'd like some free dyno tuning on, all they need to do is get in touch with us & we'll make the arrangements, it's that time again as happens each year for new model year R&D!
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Hi Mike T. If you see this.
Tks. for the info...just passing on...another member here HH...said that "Event Data Recorder" is installed in his O3 (V10)SD. I can only assume its also in the O3 F150.
His owners guide book lists what that recorder is suppose to do.
I realize this is (O3) new. Will be interesting to get your opinion on what this data recorder means to us chip users. Also will there still be a plug in (external..J3?) schip for 03 models?
Tks....OT
Tks. for the info...just passing on...another member here HH...said that "Event Data Recorder" is installed in his O3 (V10)SD. I can only assume its also in the O3 F150.
His owners guide book lists what that recorder is suppose to do.
I realize this is (O3) new. Will be interesting to get your opinion on what this data recorder means to us chip users. Also will there still be a plug in (external..J3?) schip for 03 models?
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Hi OT,
I wouldn't make any such assumptions about the 2003 F-150 in that regard, we've been tuning some of them already and so far, no 2003 F-150 on dealer's lots has anything other than the EEC-V processor in them. The 2003 Expedition, on the other hand, got the Black Oak processor, and it'll probably be a few months before we release the Micro Tuner for those units.
According to Ford engineering the 2003 F-150 uses the same EEC-V PCM just like the 2002 model year does, and just like all of the F-150's from 1996 & up have, when OBD-II was mandated. The EEC-V PCM has not changed, Ford isn't putting any significant development resources into changing the EEC-V's capabilities in it's last year or two of existence. Those resources are allocated for Black Oak development (called the PTech PCM). Current vehicles using the EEC-V are not going to suddenly have significant new capabilities that they haven't had all along, Levanta variants excepted as they are basically Black Oaks tucked in an EEC-V box, as used in the 2002 Focus SVT.
There will be some new capabilities with the Black Oak processors, which are used in extremely few vehicles currently as I mentioned in my last response. Ford will be introducing the newer Black Oak processors in more and more vehicles in the next couple of model years, just as all their vehicles went EEC-IV in the 80's, and as all went EEC-V in 1996. And as they introduce them in more and more vehicles in the future, we'll just have to see what they actually have in the way of capabilities. Each model year there are all kinds of rumors, and then the vehicles actually appear and most of it turns out to be just that, rumor.
We're been tuning a number of 2003 model FoMoCo's for some time now, and any with the EEC-V still have the J3 connector, including vehicles like the 2003 F-150 and the 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra with it's supercharged DOHC 4.6, for example.
However, that will be going by the wayside, long term the J3 connector is being done away with as Ford hasn't needed it since the 1995 model year, it's just been left there all this time. The purpose of the J3 connector to begin with was simply so that Ford could load different software into the EEC PCM's as they have surface-mounted (non-removeable) EPROMS in their attempt to keep chipmakers out, but in reality it ended up helping by giving us a neat external override data path.
Whether there is a J3 connector or not has nothing to do with the PCM being reprogrammable, that simply isn't a concern. It only means that different *hardware* will have to be used to communicate the program changes to the PCM, that's all.
The reality is, we don't care what data they look at, as that changes nothing. It doesn't change what you can do to your vehicle, nor does it change what you can do with your vehicle, it doesn't change any of that. The most important thing is working with a chipmaker that actually knows the design limitations of the vehicle and doesn't exceed them, *that's* the real key. For example, how do we know the F-150's 4.6 engine is safe to twist to 5800+ RPM? Because Ford does it themselves in other models using that exact same engine, internals & all. And no, we don't let them turn 5800 rpm in the Superchip before anyone asks, that's just a factual example.
As long as computers are used to control the powertrain, we'll be providing better tuning, it's always been that way, and it always will be that way. Few people remember this nowadays, but until Superchips cracked the Ford EEC-IV PCM back in the 80's (and were the very first in the world to do so), everyone else said it couldn't be done. Then the EEC-V wasn't going to have a J3 connector but did, only it's pinouts changed quite a bit, and once again Superchips adapted & got that nailed, when many said it would take years. How wrong everyone else was, as we all know by now!
Thanks for your post,
I wouldn't make any such assumptions about the 2003 F-150 in that regard, we've been tuning some of them already and so far, no 2003 F-150 on dealer's lots has anything other than the EEC-V processor in them. The 2003 Expedition, on the other hand, got the Black Oak processor, and it'll probably be a few months before we release the Micro Tuner for those units.
According to Ford engineering the 2003 F-150 uses the same EEC-V PCM just like the 2002 model year does, and just like all of the F-150's from 1996 & up have, when OBD-II was mandated. The EEC-V PCM has not changed, Ford isn't putting any significant development resources into changing the EEC-V's capabilities in it's last year or two of existence. Those resources are allocated for Black Oak development (called the PTech PCM). Current vehicles using the EEC-V are not going to suddenly have significant new capabilities that they haven't had all along, Levanta variants excepted as they are basically Black Oaks tucked in an EEC-V box, as used in the 2002 Focus SVT.
There will be some new capabilities with the Black Oak processors, which are used in extremely few vehicles currently as I mentioned in my last response. Ford will be introducing the newer Black Oak processors in more and more vehicles in the next couple of model years, just as all their vehicles went EEC-IV in the 80's, and as all went EEC-V in 1996. And as they introduce them in more and more vehicles in the future, we'll just have to see what they actually have in the way of capabilities. Each model year there are all kinds of rumors, and then the vehicles actually appear and most of it turns out to be just that, rumor.
We're been tuning a number of 2003 model FoMoCo's for some time now, and any with the EEC-V still have the J3 connector, including vehicles like the 2003 F-150 and the 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra with it's supercharged DOHC 4.6, for example.
However, that will be going by the wayside, long term the J3 connector is being done away with as Ford hasn't needed it since the 1995 model year, it's just been left there all this time. The purpose of the J3 connector to begin with was simply so that Ford could load different software into the EEC PCM's as they have surface-mounted (non-removeable) EPROMS in their attempt to keep chipmakers out, but in reality it ended up helping by giving us a neat external override data path.
Whether there is a J3 connector or not has nothing to do with the PCM being reprogrammable, that simply isn't a concern. It only means that different *hardware* will have to be used to communicate the program changes to the PCM, that's all.
The reality is, we don't care what data they look at, as that changes nothing. It doesn't change what you can do to your vehicle, nor does it change what you can do with your vehicle, it doesn't change any of that. The most important thing is working with a chipmaker that actually knows the design limitations of the vehicle and doesn't exceed them, *that's* the real key. For example, how do we know the F-150's 4.6 engine is safe to twist to 5800+ RPM? Because Ford does it themselves in other models using that exact same engine, internals & all. And no, we don't let them turn 5800 rpm in the Superchip before anyone asks, that's just a factual example.
As long as computers are used to control the powertrain, we'll be providing better tuning, it's always been that way, and it always will be that way. Few people remember this nowadays, but until Superchips cracked the Ford EEC-IV PCM back in the 80's (and were the very first in the world to do so), everyone else said it couldn't be done. Then the EEC-V wasn't going to have a J3 connector but did, only it's pinouts changed quite a bit, and once again Superchips adapted & got that nailed, when many said it would take years. How wrong everyone else was, as we all know by now!
Thanks for your post,
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I had this emailed to me by a nervious new Ford Truck owner and thought I'd pass it on..............
While this post is specifically about Ford Trucks, I believe it pertains to all Ford 2003 products. Therefore, I am posting this message in several places as I think anyone thinking of purchasing a 2003 or later Ford should be aware of.
I have had 4 Ford autos in my life. The last three were purchased new. The last auto was a 1997 Ford T-Bird, which I am very pleased with and plan to own it, till the wheels fall off.
My last purchase, a few weeks ago, was a new Ford Truck. Normally I would be very happy as a new truck owner. However that is not the case. There is something in the owners manual that I think everyone should be aware of before you purchase a new 2003 Ford. On page 5 and 6 of the owners manual of my truck is the following:
"Event Data Recorder; The computer in your vehicle is capable of recording detailed data potentially including but not limited to information such as: * the use of restraint systems including seat belts by the driver and passengers, * information about the performance of various systems and modules in the vehicle, and * information related to engine, throttle, steering, brake or other system status potentially including information related to how the driver operates the vehicle including but not limited to vehicle speed. This information may be stored during regular operation or in a crash or near crash event. This stored information may be read out and used by: * Ford Motor Company, * service and repair facilities, * law enforcement or government agencies, * others who may assert a right or obtain your consent to know such information."
Please note, the entire manual is written by engineers, except for this one subject. Can you see the legalese in it ? Hint: " detailed data potentially including but not limited to." Needless to say, I am extremely upset about this. I am sure that most of you can understand the legal aspect of this, but allow me to underline it. My Ford Truck ( and I think this applies to other 2003 Ford products) can be used in a court of law against me, by law enforcement, or by anyone who decides to sue me. Never mind that I may be completely innocent. Anyone who has ever sat on a jury, may very well know that its not a lawyers job to present the truth, but to win their case.
Put another way. If I was going through a Green light, doing 35 mph in a 40 mph zone, and someone else T-bones me, running a red-light doing 45 mph. Late at night with no witness. I would most likely loose the case. Consider this. My Ford will be testifying that I never applied the brakes to avoid an accident among other things. The other guys car, will be smart enough to not testify against him. Now add to this, a traffic fatality and you could start to understand what this invasion of privacy can do.
I have done some research on this for the last few weeks and have been able to determine the following. I welcome any corrections if anyone has direct knowledge. * This is not a government requirement, but one put forth by Ford on its own. So it is not required by the government. (yet) * The recorder is part of the airbag module and will record several hundred miles of data, that can be studied in detail at a later point in time. * There is no GPS involved. Who needs one, when all it takes is to use the steering directions coupled with speed, brakes, acceleration, ect, to determine just where you have been. ( Do I see Divorce Atty's grinning ) I think what I have stated here is only the tip of the iceberg. What can be done with this information is only limited to the imagination of our legal professionals.
On a positive note, I really like the truck, as it is just what I ordered. Except for the Data Event recorder, I am happy with it. I have never been involved in any serious accident (other then the parking lot tap on the fender ) But I am driving a law suit waiting to happen.
I have just received my New Car Customer Survey. If any of you feel as strong as I do about this, then put it in writing to; Ford Customer Viewpoint, P.O.Box 930, Ann Arbor, Michigan [48106-0930]
Or go by your local Ford Dealer, and inquire about this yourself. Let them know. If Ford gets enough complaints, then "maybe" they will change.
Sorry, I could not find a web site that allowed e-mails directly to Ford Motor Corporation. Most Ford dealerships do have e-mail addresses.
Gives new meaning to the new FORD warning, "you have the right to remain silent, but anything in your vehicle data recorder can and will be used against you in a court of law, because the State of holds a security interest in your vehicle, it has our identification plate on it and is therefore deemed property of the state which you have no control over." It will be impounded, downloaded into DMV data base, available to insurance companies, or the public for a fee and may be used as evidence to either convict or exonerate you and/or your actions or inaction in a court law.
While this post is specifically about Ford Trucks, I believe it pertains to all Ford 2003 products. Therefore, I am posting this message in several places as I think anyone thinking of purchasing a 2003 or later Ford should be aware of.
I have had 4 Ford autos in my life. The last three were purchased new. The last auto was a 1997 Ford T-Bird, which I am very pleased with and plan to own it, till the wheels fall off.
My last purchase, a few weeks ago, was a new Ford Truck. Normally I would be very happy as a new truck owner. However that is not the case. There is something in the owners manual that I think everyone should be aware of before you purchase a new 2003 Ford. On page 5 and 6 of the owners manual of my truck is the following:
"Event Data Recorder; The computer in your vehicle is capable of recording detailed data potentially including but not limited to information such as: * the use of restraint systems including seat belts by the driver and passengers, * information about the performance of various systems and modules in the vehicle, and * information related to engine, throttle, steering, brake or other system status potentially including information related to how the driver operates the vehicle including but not limited to vehicle speed. This information may be stored during regular operation or in a crash or near crash event. This stored information may be read out and used by: * Ford Motor Company, * service and repair facilities, * law enforcement or government agencies, * others who may assert a right or obtain your consent to know such information."
Please note, the entire manual is written by engineers, except for this one subject. Can you see the legalese in it ? Hint: " detailed data potentially including but not limited to." Needless to say, I am extremely upset about this. I am sure that most of you can understand the legal aspect of this, but allow me to underline it. My Ford Truck ( and I think this applies to other 2003 Ford products) can be used in a court of law against me, by law enforcement, or by anyone who decides to sue me. Never mind that I may be completely innocent. Anyone who has ever sat on a jury, may very well know that its not a lawyers job to present the truth, but to win their case.
Put another way. If I was going through a Green light, doing 35 mph in a 40 mph zone, and someone else T-bones me, running a red-light doing 45 mph. Late at night with no witness. I would most likely loose the case. Consider this. My Ford will be testifying that I never applied the brakes to avoid an accident among other things. The other guys car, will be smart enough to not testify against him. Now add to this, a traffic fatality and you could start to understand what this invasion of privacy can do.
I have done some research on this for the last few weeks and have been able to determine the following. I welcome any corrections if anyone has direct knowledge. * This is not a government requirement, but one put forth by Ford on its own. So it is not required by the government. (yet) * The recorder is part of the airbag module and will record several hundred miles of data, that can be studied in detail at a later point in time. * There is no GPS involved. Who needs one, when all it takes is to use the steering directions coupled with speed, brakes, acceleration, ect, to determine just where you have been. ( Do I see Divorce Atty's grinning ) I think what I have stated here is only the tip of the iceberg. What can be done with this information is only limited to the imagination of our legal professionals.
On a positive note, I really like the truck, as it is just what I ordered. Except for the Data Event recorder, I am happy with it. I have never been involved in any serious accident (other then the parking lot tap on the fender ) But I am driving a law suit waiting to happen.
I have just received my New Car Customer Survey. If any of you feel as strong as I do about this, then put it in writing to; Ford Customer Viewpoint, P.O.Box 930, Ann Arbor, Michigan [48106-0930]
Or go by your local Ford Dealer, and inquire about this yourself. Let them know. If Ford gets enough complaints, then "maybe" they will change.
Sorry, I could not find a web site that allowed e-mails directly to Ford Motor Corporation. Most Ford dealerships do have e-mail addresses.
Gives new meaning to the new FORD warning, "you have the right to remain silent, but anything in your vehicle data recorder can and will be used against you in a court of law, because the State of holds a security interest in your vehicle, it has our identification plate on it and is therefore deemed property of the state which you have no control over." It will be impounded, downloaded into DMV data base, available to insurance companies, or the public for a fee and may be used as evidence to either convict or exonerate you and/or your actions or inaction in a court law.
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Hi Milk Truck,
Thanks for your post!
What this really sounds to me is more along the lines of this simply being Ford's way of fighting lawsuits over situations like the Ford Explorer with the Firestone Wilderness AT tire failures, where a few bad tires (the Explorer was fine, it wasn't the problem a few tires were) cost Ford billions, just for one example.
I agree, this is just a little too close to Big Brother-ism for my tastes, but in this case it's *not* the government, it's FoMoCo. At this point, I feel it's more for their own potential defense against lawsuit as well as a very nice potential aid to diagnosis & troubleshooting intermittant issues from a service standpoint more than anything else. That quote was probably put in the owner's manual by Ford's legal department because they figured that not informing the consumer could subject them to lawsuit.
I think the potential scenarios in your post are beyond anything we'll ever see, the most obvious being your scenario of you not using the brakes in a situation where you are hit by someone else who ran a red light and the fact that you didn't use the brakes somehow being used against you, I don't believe for a second that is ever going to happen. However, I certainly do agree with you that most lawyers couldn't care less about innocence or guilt, most only care about what they can give something the appearance of in front of a jury, but then, that's the criminal justice system in this country. There's a reason why it's called the *criminal* justice system.
The only way that data will even be accessable in the first place is the vehicle has to be somewhere that actually has the hardware capable of downloading that data (which means a dealership service department), and somebody has to do that downloading for a specific reason, that is not going to be done automatically with every '03 or newer vehicle coming in for service. As we all know, dealership service departments do not do work without getting paid, so it will have to either be something Ford pays the dealer to do under warranty, or that the customer pays the dealer out of his own pocket to scan & retrieve. I don't believe for a minute that we're suddenly going to see everyone's data from their 2003 Ford for sale publicly.
I do think that Ford should be required to specifically identify and list in the owner's manual any and all data recorded, and any conditions under which data is recorded, as well as exactly how that data can be retrieved and under what circumstances as well as with whom this data can be shared. And I also think that *not* knowing that is more alarming than the mere fact that some kind of data is being recorded, as that's been going on for years, & is nothing new.
If we run into anyone with Ford while we're at SEMA that can shed any light on this for us, we'll let everyone know when we get back. In the meantime, my panic button remains unlit until we know more. I know, it's very easy to read that post & get alarmed, but I think more facts need to be known before we pass judgement on this, it's just too early on.
Thanks for your post!
What this really sounds to me is more along the lines of this simply being Ford's way of fighting lawsuits over situations like the Ford Explorer with the Firestone Wilderness AT tire failures, where a few bad tires (the Explorer was fine, it wasn't the problem a few tires were) cost Ford billions, just for one example.
I agree, this is just a little too close to Big Brother-ism for my tastes, but in this case it's *not* the government, it's FoMoCo. At this point, I feel it's more for their own potential defense against lawsuit as well as a very nice potential aid to diagnosis & troubleshooting intermittant issues from a service standpoint more than anything else. That quote was probably put in the owner's manual by Ford's legal department because they figured that not informing the consumer could subject them to lawsuit.
I think the potential scenarios in your post are beyond anything we'll ever see, the most obvious being your scenario of you not using the brakes in a situation where you are hit by someone else who ran a red light and the fact that you didn't use the brakes somehow being used against you, I don't believe for a second that is ever going to happen. However, I certainly do agree with you that most lawyers couldn't care less about innocence or guilt, most only care about what they can give something the appearance of in front of a jury, but then, that's the criminal justice system in this country. There's a reason why it's called the *criminal* justice system.
The only way that data will even be accessable in the first place is the vehicle has to be somewhere that actually has the hardware capable of downloading that data (which means a dealership service department), and somebody has to do that downloading for a specific reason, that is not going to be done automatically with every '03 or newer vehicle coming in for service. As we all know, dealership service departments do not do work without getting paid, so it will have to either be something Ford pays the dealer to do under warranty, or that the customer pays the dealer out of his own pocket to scan & retrieve. I don't believe for a minute that we're suddenly going to see everyone's data from their 2003 Ford for sale publicly.
I do think that Ford should be required to specifically identify and list in the owner's manual any and all data recorded, and any conditions under which data is recorded, as well as exactly how that data can be retrieved and under what circumstances as well as with whom this data can be shared. And I also think that *not* knowing that is more alarming than the mere fact that some kind of data is being recorded, as that's been going on for years, & is nothing new.
If we run into anyone with Ford while we're at SEMA that can shed any light on this for us, we'll let everyone know when we get back. In the meantime, my panic button remains unlit until we know more. I know, it's very easy to read that post & get alarmed, but I think more facts need to be known before we pass judgement on this, it's just too early on.
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Hi Milk Truck
Thanks for update. Thats the one i saw. Maybe MikeT. will be able to get more info?
Also...was thinking...not exactly new here...but smog checks are done thru the 'data link connector" if vehicle has OBD.
That info. goes straight to DMV. Would be interesting to know if that also sends info. thats stored from the "E D R" ?
I understand what your saying. Time will tell.
Good luck...OT
Thanks for update. Thats the one i saw. Maybe MikeT. will be able to get more info?
Also...was thinking...not exactly new here...but smog checks are done thru the 'data link connector" if vehicle has OBD.
That info. goes straight to DMV. Would be interesting to know if that also sends info. thats stored from the "E D R" ?
I understand what your saying. Time will tell.
Good luck...OT
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Hi OT,
With regard to the emissions testing (your reference to "smog checks") via the link to OBD-II, all that means is that they are scanning the PCM for any emissions-related DTC's (error codes). For example, if the catalytic converters have been removed there would be an error code logged, or if an O2 sensor failed, another DTC is logged by the PCM, and so on. It's basically just the testing station scanning the PCM for any emissions-related DTC's. This was started some time back in a few different areas, I don't remember off the top of my head exaclty where is already doing that, but we have had that come up here before, and it's just scanning the PCM for emissions-related DTC's.
As time goes by we'll know a lot more about the EDR of course, it's very early on in the model year. I should have a chance to read the 2003 F-150 service update info for Ford technicians by shortly after the time we get back from SEMA (I doubt I'll have time this next week before we leave, we'll just have to see), and post all that info if someone else hasn't done it beforehand.
Speaking of the new model year, we need to get some 2003 F-150's in for dyno tuning for the new model year R&D as we do each year. Anyone interested in getting free dyno tuning for their 2003 F-150 should contact us (our contact info is just below). This happens every model year of course, so once again it's that time. We want to see as many examples of 2003 F-150's as possible, with any powertrain combination.
With regard to the emissions testing (your reference to "smog checks") via the link to OBD-II, all that means is that they are scanning the PCM for any emissions-related DTC's (error codes). For example, if the catalytic converters have been removed there would be an error code logged, or if an O2 sensor failed, another DTC is logged by the PCM, and so on. It's basically just the testing station scanning the PCM for any emissions-related DTC's. This was started some time back in a few different areas, I don't remember off the top of my head exaclty where is already doing that, but we have had that come up here before, and it's just scanning the PCM for emissions-related DTC's.
As time goes by we'll know a lot more about the EDR of course, it's very early on in the model year. I should have a chance to read the 2003 F-150 service update info for Ford technicians by shortly after the time we get back from SEMA (I doubt I'll have time this next week before we leave, we'll just have to see), and post all that info if someone else hasn't done it beforehand.
Speaking of the new model year, we need to get some 2003 F-150's in for dyno tuning for the new model year R&D as we do each year. Anyone interested in getting free dyno tuning for their 2003 F-150 should contact us (our contact info is just below). This happens every model year of course, so once again it's that time. We want to see as many examples of 2003 F-150's as possible, with any powertrain combination.
