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Need Chip Recommendations for other...
For starters, I am a proud owner of a 2000 F-150 with a Superchip and a S/C. My question is for my father, who owns a 2002 Chevy 2500HD with the 6.0L V8. I told him that if he got a chip for his truck, that is would give him the best bang for the buck in term of HP, Torque, and MPG's. Although I do not know what is the best chip for Chevy's. I looked into Superchip, but want to look at others and also find somewhere he could buy it from. It appears that the Chevy setup is different than ours, and I want to make sure we get it right the first time. He lives in Santa Clara, Ca. so if there is someone local, that would be great. Any info would be useful. I am not sure if Mike deals with Chevy's, but I will ping him too. Thanks,
-Matt
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Look into Hypertech. My dad has a 92 GMC 454... so be it a little old now a days.. but we put that hypertech in there.. and it woke her right up!! SCREAMIN.... It was a big difference... check em out..
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First off, I drive a Chevy, but do not bash Fords. I cruise this forum to search for upgrades for my brother's F-150.
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You would want to stay away from HPP3. They do have alot of options....but with MANY Chevs they advance the timing too aggressively and cause the knock retard to go into overtime trying to retard the timing. The problem is that they fuel curve is not changed enough (if even at all) for the amount of advance. Since your father has the 6.0, he may also eventually have problems with some "piston slap".
I would go either a completely custom computer tuning program from Ed Wright at Fastchips, Dean at SPE, or Superchips. If he has minor to stock mods, then I would just run superchips. Either way, stay away from Hyperping! I'm not sure how Fords handle them but many GMs ping with it.
-Tom
back to the topic...
You would want to stay away from HPP3. They do have alot of options....but with MANY Chevs they advance the timing too aggressively and cause the knock retard to go into overtime trying to retard the timing. The problem is that they fuel curve is not changed enough (if even at all) for the amount of advance. Since your father has the 6.0, he may also eventually have problems with some "piston slap".
I would go either a completely custom computer tuning program from Ed Wright at Fastchips, Dean at SPE, or Superchips. If he has minor to stock mods, then I would just run superchips. Either way, stay away from Hyperping! I'm not sure how Fords handle them but many GMs ping with it.
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Hi mthunwardsen,
Chevy's need correct tuning just like all other vehicles do, and that won't be had with Hypertech, that's for sure. Their generic tuning (meaning all similar vehicles get the *exact* same program from Hypertech, just as Jet & most others in this industry do), and the fact that what few changes they do make are only during open loop operation (which is during extremely heavy to wide-open throttle only) add up to little to no power gain, and sometimes even power losses.
The problem with Hypertech's tuning is not based primarily on fuel map issues, and writing a better fuel map generally won't quell most of their detonation problems. Their problems are really a matter of poor tuning skills overall mixed with a generic product that compromises the powertrain program and only works when you drive the vehicle like you hate it. They do little more than remove the full power onset delay & dump in timing @ open-loop. Not a good combination.
It's not just Hypertech that doesn't have good tuning skills by the way, if you saw what GM themselves did on their '02 Z06 Corvettes you'd get a good laugh, they aren't doing a great job, either. Far too much timing in the mid-range causing constant retard & a significant loss of power; it's bad enough that it's easy to pick up another 20 to as much as 30 horsepower in the 1500-4000 rpm ranges alone in those new Z06's just from fixing that problem.
The sheer amount of raw R&D on the tuning of these newer GM trucks that Superchips has done is unmatched by anyone else in the country. We have tuned more of them than anyone else as well, which is important due to significant variations from one vehicle to the next. Each Superchips powertrain program in the Micro Tuner for those GM trucks is vehicle-specific, safe, and 50-state emissions certified.
The Superchips MAX Micro Tuner for the new Chevy trucks (4.8, 5.3, 6.0 & our new unit for the 8.1's) will automatically read the exact software revision of each individual vehicle and then upload the vehicle-specific code matched Superchips performance program, and all in less than 10 minutes.
If you'd like to go over this in more detail, go over the other products available, the differences between them and the Superchips powertrain programming, etc., please feel free to give us a call, our contact info is below. We'll be happy to go over this in detail with you, so you have a thorough understanding of all the various products and the results you can expect, etc., and you can make your decision from a fully informed position.
Best of luck whatever you decide,
Chevy's need correct tuning just like all other vehicles do, and that won't be had with Hypertech, that's for sure. Their generic tuning (meaning all similar vehicles get the *exact* same program from Hypertech, just as Jet & most others in this industry do), and the fact that what few changes they do make are only during open loop operation (which is during extremely heavy to wide-open throttle only) add up to little to no power gain, and sometimes even power losses.
The problem with Hypertech's tuning is not based primarily on fuel map issues, and writing a better fuel map generally won't quell most of their detonation problems. Their problems are really a matter of poor tuning skills overall mixed with a generic product that compromises the powertrain program and only works when you drive the vehicle like you hate it. They do little more than remove the full power onset delay & dump in timing @ open-loop. Not a good combination.
It's not just Hypertech that doesn't have good tuning skills by the way, if you saw what GM themselves did on their '02 Z06 Corvettes you'd get a good laugh, they aren't doing a great job, either. Far too much timing in the mid-range causing constant retard & a significant loss of power; it's bad enough that it's easy to pick up another 20 to as much as 30 horsepower in the 1500-4000 rpm ranges alone in those new Z06's just from fixing that problem.
The sheer amount of raw R&D on the tuning of these newer GM trucks that Superchips has done is unmatched by anyone else in the country. We have tuned more of them than anyone else as well, which is important due to significant variations from one vehicle to the next. Each Superchips powertrain program in the Micro Tuner for those GM trucks is vehicle-specific, safe, and 50-state emissions certified.
The Superchips MAX Micro Tuner for the new Chevy trucks (4.8, 5.3, 6.0 & our new unit for the 8.1's) will automatically read the exact software revision of each individual vehicle and then upload the vehicle-specific code matched Superchips performance program, and all in less than 10 minutes.
If you'd like to go over this in more detail, go over the other products available, the differences between them and the Superchips powertrain programming, etc., please feel free to give us a call, our contact info is below. We'll be happy to go over this in detail with you, so you have a thorough understanding of all the various products and the results you can expect, etc., and you can make your decision from a fully informed position.
Best of luck whatever you decide,