Ford Scanner w/ flip chip
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Ford Scanner w/ flip chip
I am going over the NGS Training Manual to see what I can do with the unit and instruction manual. Since I have an ATI Procharger and a Flip Chip, is there any vital diagnostic information that I can grab with this machine? Just in case I miss something on my reading adventure. I will probably plug it in tonight or tomorrow and finger it some. Thanks.
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Hi Silver X,
Sure, you can get some data with the NGS or any decent scan tool, long & short fuel trims, spark advance, load data, MAF voltage, O2 sensor voltage (the vehicle O2's are narrow-band, but it's better than nothing!!), TPS, etc.
I have to confess (as funny as this sounds) I don't personally use an NGS, so I don't remember off the top of my head how much data logging it can do other than "freeze-frame" snapshot. But if the unit you're using can actualy log data, that can be very valuable, you can log some cruising data as well as a full-throttle blast to see those parameters. You will have a rather slow data transfer rate so you won't be able to log a completely linear data stream, but you can get enough sampling points to get a rough idea of what's going on as you cruise, or as you accelerate thru the 1/4 mile, or for a top-end run (careful!!), etc.
With any performance chip attached to any Ford ECU, that generally precludes you being able to look at *all* the extended manufacturer data via OBD-II (ALDL port), but you will be able to at least see all of the "generic" OBD-II data that all vehicles have to be abel to report via OBD-II.
If you were using Ford's newer WDS system, you'd have a problem with any chip attached as it would not be able to pull up VIN# correctly, but you're using an NGS Star tester, so you'll be able to see all the straight OBD-II data.
Log every bit of data you can, just to get started, log cruise data at normal speeds, at higher speeds (above 100 mph BUT ONLY if you can do so safely!!) to see if anything changes at high speed as some FoMoCo's do (like timing and/or fueling does in Lightnings & Mustangs), as well as starding-start 1/4 mile acceleration, etc.
Have fun!
Sure, you can get some data with the NGS or any decent scan tool, long & short fuel trims, spark advance, load data, MAF voltage, O2 sensor voltage (the vehicle O2's are narrow-band, but it's better than nothing!!), TPS, etc.
I have to confess (as funny as this sounds) I don't personally use an NGS, so I don't remember off the top of my head how much data logging it can do other than "freeze-frame" snapshot. But if the unit you're using can actualy log data, that can be very valuable, you can log some cruising data as well as a full-throttle blast to see those parameters. You will have a rather slow data transfer rate so you won't be able to log a completely linear data stream, but you can get enough sampling points to get a rough idea of what's going on as you cruise, or as you accelerate thru the 1/4 mile, or for a top-end run (careful!!), etc.
With any performance chip attached to any Ford ECU, that generally precludes you being able to look at *all* the extended manufacturer data via OBD-II (ALDL port), but you will be able to at least see all of the "generic" OBD-II data that all vehicles have to be abel to report via OBD-II.
If you were using Ford's newer WDS system, you'd have a problem with any chip attached as it would not be able to pull up VIN# correctly, but you're using an NGS Star tester, so you'll be able to see all the straight OBD-II data.
Log every bit of data you can, just to get started, log cruise data at normal speeds, at higher speeds (above 100 mph BUT ONLY if you can do so safely!!) to see if anything changes at high speed as some FoMoCo's do (like timing and/or fueling does in Lightnings & Mustangs), as well as starding-start 1/4 mile acceleration, etc.
Have fun!
Last edited by Superchips_Distributor; Jun 30, 2002 at 02:25 PM.
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Hi Talleywhacker,
Glad to see you drop by, as I wanted to let you know that I did try to return your calls, but I didn't get an answer at the phone number you left on your second call. Just give us a shout back anytime you can.
Autotap works pretty nicely, for it's cost it's a great tool, so we became a distributor for Autotap some time ago. Autotap will do the same as what happens with most code scanning hardware/software with any performance chip installed any FoMoCo ECU, it will not allow access to the extended automaker-specific data. It *will* allow access to all standard OBD-II data, it just won't pull up the VIN# automatically and give access to all that *extended* data that is not standard OBD-II data unless you pull the chip.
All 1996 & newer vehicles sold in the US have to allow full access to all the standard OBD-II data by any independent shop, so that the consumer can take their vehicle to either an independent shop or to a dealership and have the ability to retrieve that data as per the provisions of the Clean Air Act.
We did a 45-minute data-logging session with Autotap here not long ago in our Lightning, looking at very high speed data as well as standing-start acceleration data. Very handy tool to have around, *especially* for those with a laptop computer who want to data log with the vehicle being driven or raced. It can also be used by any shop with a "regular" PC, it doesn't *have* to be a laptop just to read codes, reset codes, do diagnostics, etc., it can be used with any PC for that, under either Windoze or at a DOS-prompt level.
Glad to see you drop by, as I wanted to let you know that I did try to return your calls, but I didn't get an answer at the phone number you left on your second call. Just give us a shout back anytime you can.
Autotap works pretty nicely, for it's cost it's a great tool, so we became a distributor for Autotap some time ago. Autotap will do the same as what happens with most code scanning hardware/software with any performance chip installed any FoMoCo ECU, it will not allow access to the extended automaker-specific data. It *will* allow access to all standard OBD-II data, it just won't pull up the VIN# automatically and give access to all that *extended* data that is not standard OBD-II data unless you pull the chip.
All 1996 & newer vehicles sold in the US have to allow full access to all the standard OBD-II data by any independent shop, so that the consumer can take their vehicle to either an independent shop or to a dealership and have the ability to retrieve that data as per the provisions of the Clean Air Act.
We did a 45-minute data-logging session with Autotap here not long ago in our Lightning, looking at very high speed data as well as standing-start acceleration data. Very handy tool to have around, *especially* for those with a laptop computer who want to data log with the vehicle being driven or raced. It can also be used by any shop with a "regular" PC, it doesn't *have* to be a laptop just to read codes, reset codes, do diagnostics, etc., it can be used with any PC for that, under either Windoze or at a DOS-prompt level.